It's at around the 10-minute mark, but it's legitimately fucked up. Thank god Jeph Loeb's gone from Marvel.
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Jeph Loeb (Former Marvel TV Head) made the Daredevil showrunners ignore Peter Shinkoda's (Nobu) storyline because "nobody cares about Asian people"
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It's at around the 10-minute mark, but it's legitimately fucked up. Thank god Jeph Loeb's gone from Marvel.
Source: #SaveDaredevil (YouTube)
So that's why The Hand ended up being a bunch of white guys with machine guns.
This motherfucker comes from comic books.
This motherfucker comes from comic books.
Loeb has always been such a hack, seriously. I'll never understand how he got to be as powerful as he is.
This thread is the certainly the most appropriate this gif has ever been.
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It says a lot when Loeb's only lasting legacy at Marvel (Sam Alexander) is now mostly ignored outside of the comics. Though to be fair, Sam didn't really come into his own until after other writers got their hands on him (namely Gerry Duggan and the duo of Jeff Loveness & RamĂłn PĂ©rez).
I guess Marvel wanted to wash their hands clean of Loeb just as much as the rest of us wanted them to. And who could blame them, Loeb's trash at every level. Fuck Jeph Loeb.
I guess Marvel wanted to wash their hands clean of Loeb just as much as the rest of us wanted them to. And who could blame them, Loeb's trash at every level. Fuck Jeph Loeb.
You'd think he'd give af about asians considering she's like the main character out of his own show.
Well fuck you Jeph for not caring about us.
It's funny how he wanted to honour his son and yet the character is so boring.
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True. But again, at least Sam got exponentially better when he was taken out of Loeb's hands.
Maybe he didn't know she was Asian. She only somewhat recently brought up how she changed her last name professionally (Wang to Bennet) to sound less Asian and got more offers
It wasn't really "his" show. The show and its characters were created by Joss, Jed and Maurissa.
Daredevil and Iron Fist was really shameful in its depiction of Asian characters and culture.
Maurissa being Thai-American I think was a factor in better Asian representation with both Daisy and May.
Maurissa being Thai-American I think was a factor in better Asian representation with both Daisy and May.
Pretty much came to see if someone would post this gif, as it's quite possibly the best use of it.
Well shit I could totally see that.
Ahh right, but didnt he have a lot of control back then when he was head of Marvel TV? I mean I'm glad he didn't fuck up her character in the show so I guess he didn't have that much control at least for shield.
I think what made it worse was shoving Richard Ryder to the side to make way for Sam. Post Annihilation, Nova was the most interesting character in the Marvel Universe, a former teen hero who had to become a war time general and was then made the only Nova in the galaxy, forcing him to bounce from mission to mission without stopping. He was like Kyle Rayner on steroids.
Im glad they eventually brought him back but man, so much lost potential.
I think he had overall control in terms of him overseeing all of Marvel TV in general.
But it always felt like he had minimal impact on the AoS writing.
Damn. It's one thing to read those comments but listening to Peter talk about it was so painful.
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I loved The Hand and the mystery behind them. Having sigourney Weaver in there in defenders was horrible. Should have been an Asian character casted imo
It's a less gregious offense but he is also the reason why Marvel's animation efforts have become so dumb-downed Post-Avengers: Earth Mightiest Heroes because he held opinion that kids didn't have the attention spans to follow serialized shows.
Ah yes, just like how Perlmutter claimed nobody cares about black people or women..... wait, what's that I hear in the distance? Oh right, that's the sound of the waterfall of cash Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings will be making once it releases, as Black Panther and Captain Marvel did so before it.
(And to think that we could have had Shang-Chi, Black Panther, and Black Widow standalone movies all the way back in fucking phase two - as well as shows like the upcoming Ms. Marvel live-action show and the Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur animated series - if these racist idiots hadn't held so much control over Marvel for so long.)
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They dumbed Marvel's animation down before Avengers: EMH even finished airing. Second half of season 2 was so fucking bad. The idea that the show as it was, was too hard for kids to understand, was ludicrous. (It was basically just an old school silver age Marvel comic in animated form, with some modern touches. Hardly high-brow - not that there's anything wrong with that, of course). But Jeph Loeb thinks kids are morons, so he took the show away from its creators and demanded it be dumbed down.
And so we got this drivel for 13 episodes, and then the poor show was put out of its misery and was immediately replaced with Avengers Assemble AKA Jeph Loeb presents Joss Whedon's The Avengers: The Animated Series. Like, seriously, they literally just copy-pasted everything from the movie and made it into a cartoon. To quote a pissed off fan of Avengers: EMH reacting to one of the early Avengers Assemble episodes way back in the day:
Of course, in reality, we know this was all thanks to Jeph. Oh, and then he had the gall to greenlight an episode that featured a flashback scene drawn and animated like Avengers: EMH. Right down to the same designs. Cause this is totally a sequel, kids! Now, just ignore that literally everything else in this show contradicts the old show, and eat up uncle Loeb's garbage, you little shits!
(And to think that we could have had Shang-Chi, Black Panther, and Black Widow standalone movies all the way back in fucking phase two - as well as shows like the upcoming Ms. Marvel live-action show and the Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur animated series - if these racist idiots hadn't held so much control over Marvel for so long.)
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They dumbed Marvel's animation down before Avengers: EMH even finished airing. Second half of season 2 was so fucking bad. The idea that the show as it was, was too hard for kids to understand, was ludicrous. (It was basically just an old school silver age Marvel comic in animated form, with some modern touches. Hardly high-brow - not that there's anything wrong with that, of course). But Jeph Loeb thinks kids are morons, so he took the show away from its creators and demanded it be dumbed down.
And so we got this drivel for 13 episodes, and then the poor show was put out of its misery and was immediately replaced with Avengers Assemble AKA Jeph Loeb presents Joss Whedon's The Avengers: The Animated Series. Like, seriously, they literally just copy-pasted everything from the movie and made it into a cartoon. To quote a pissed off fan of Avengers: EMH reacting to one of the early Avengers Assemble episodes way back in the day:
Of course, in reality, we know this was all thanks to Jeph. Oh, and then he had the gall to greenlight an episode that featured a flashback scene drawn and animated like Avengers: EMH. Right down to the same designs. Cause this is totally a sequel, kids! Now, just ignore that literally everything else in this show contradicts the old show, and eat up uncle Loeb's garbage, you little shits!
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Ms. Marvel & Moon Girl are pretty recent creations, so I'm not sure if they would have happened sooner. But yeah, no argument on the others. Shang-Chi's success will be a massive "Fuck you" to Loeb like how the success of Black Panther & Captain Marvel gave a middle finger to Perlmutter. It'll be beautiful, & I can't wait.
Yeah, I'm aware. But if Kevin Feige had been in control back in the day, I guarantee you he would have greenlit shows along those lines. That's the only point I was trying to make. That being said.... Kevin Feige also greenlit a Guardians of the Galaxy movie movie based on an incarnation that had debuted in the comics less than 4 years earlier. So, honestly, I believe Kamala Khan could absolutely have made her MCU debut much earlier than she is currently slated to, had Feige gotten total control of Marvel Entertainment from the get-go.
And yes, it'll be a massive, glorious middle finger to Loeb when Shang-Chi completely demolishes box office records. As well as to Perlmutter, who undoubtedly was the reason it didn't happen during his tenure as Marvel's CEO. Cause it was one of 10 films that was greenlit all the way back in 2005 by fucking Avi Arad (yeah, of all folks), before the Disney buyout:
When a hollywood executive is making Avi Arad look good in comparison, you know they're a real piece of shit.
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Fuck Loeb but feels good that his reign at Marvel ultimately demonstrated the failure of a producer he was and that he's now fired and gone.
Shang Chi had multiple attempts at being made back in the early 2000s because they were still trying to ride the Kung-fu / Wuxia wave that was popular back then. That quickly went away and Shang-Chi was thrown in the back burner until now but I wouldn't give Arad too much credit.Yeah, I'm aware. But if Kevin Feige had been in control back in the day, I guarantee you he would have greenlit shows along those lines. That's the only point I was trying to make. That being said.... Kevin Feige also greenlit a Guardians of the Galaxy movie movie based on an incarnation that had debuted in the comics less than 4 years earlier. So, honestly, I believe Kamala Khan could absolutely have made her MCU debut much earlier than she is currently slated to, had Feige gotten total control of Marvel Entertainment from the get-go.
And yes, it'll be a massive, glorious middle finger to Loeb when Shang-Chi completely demolishes box office records. As well as to Perlmutter, who undoubtedly was the reason it didn't happen during his tenure as Marvel's CEO. Cause it was one of 10 films that was greenlit all the way back in 2005 by fucking Avi Arad (yeah, of all folks), before the Disney buyout:
When a hollywood executive is making Avi Arad look good in comparison, you know they're a real piece of shit.
I mean, I'm not saying Avi Arad is a good person. We all know he isn't. But look at the list of films he greenlit, and look at what we actually got in the first two phases of the MCU, once Ike became CEO of Marvel Entertainment. I have significant doubts that most of that shit would have happened under Avi, let alone have been any good, but.... look, he
There's no prize for being the lesser of two assholes. But Ike is one hell of an asshole even by the usual Hollywood "standards," and I couldn't be happier that Marvel is finally free from his and Loeb's infleunce. Fuck them both.
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Daredevil Season 2 was so racist they had to throw in a line where a Chinese girl calls out a white man for thinking she's Japanese while the show's does exactly that.
I remember when they screened the Inhumans for the first time for critics at a big event and it had everyone in the audience simultaneously asking, "This is a joke right?" Then they took a picture of Loeb immediately after it:
This is disgusting beyond words. What an utter piece of shit.
I used to hate Loeb for the longest time, but then a few years ago I tried to examine why I actually hated him and came to the conclusion that "maybe I'm being too harsh on him". Ever since then I tried avoiding hating on him, but this is unnacceptable and I hate him now more than I ever did.
I used to hate Loeb for the longest time, but then a few years ago I tried to examine why I actually hated him and came to the conclusion that "maybe I'm being too harsh on him". Ever since then I tried avoiding hating on him, but this is unnacceptable and I hate him now more than I ever did.
I think more people at Marvel would have to come out for that to happen.
Despite the memes in this thread, it always seemed as if the cast of AoS enjoyed working with Loeb, including Ming-Na Wen and Chloe Bennet.
If this does spread, I'll be curious to see if either of them comment on it.
I'll be honest I was about to make an argument about how your timeline was off but... nope that checks out and I'm kinda shook. For some reason it felt like they'd been around longer than that before the movie but yeah that looks accurate.
