Jeffrey Toobin did much worse than just masturbate on a Zoom call apparently

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So instead of arguing against my points at the time, you choose to ignore them and weeks later, dig them back up as a gotcha because the guy is actually much worse?? I stand behind what I wrote and have laid out why multiple times weeks before. The whole masturbating thing of course adds to the pile, now that we know more, but as far as we knew at the time, I stand by it.

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I did argue against your point at the time, in the sense that your point was that masturbating at work is no big deal. Your reply to me certainly hasn't aged any better.

His excuse was that he thought he had muted. He was still a part of the call. He didn't forget to log off. Which almost suggests to me that he got off on doing it while his co-workers are 'present'. Would it be okay to discretely fondle yourself at an in person meeting or a shared office if the other person remained unaware of it?

Logging off and cranking it at home is one thing. Masturbating in a shared space in work is another. Fuck, how does that v even need to be argued.

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I had literally no idea who this guy was until two days ago, so I have no beef in this at all, but the idea that he 'got off on his co-workers being present' is pure speculation. The article said he was talking to someone, so maybe he was on a cam model site or something, I don't know, but that's probably more likely than what you're describing.
If there were clear signs of the guy doing what you said then yeah, fuck him: that's just vile.

The argument I had hoped to make clear, is that current technology and the whole working from home situation has blurred the lines considerably between what is considered working time and what is your own time, where you do whatever you want, including watching porn.
Which I think is accelarated by the fact that we use all this technology (whether a phone or a laptop) practically the entire day from the moment we get-up until we go to sleep and we use them both for our entertainment and work-related business.

I'm not implying to normalize masturbating during a video call or anywhere with people present. But as far as I see, I see a guy that was incredibly stupid, should have made sure he logged off, before he did anything, but not the sexual harasser some people try to paint him as.

Again, I don't care about this guy, but I believe the argument goes beyond that and does say something about the way we still look at masturbation as a society, that we'd rather believe the story that this guy was a sexual harasser than the way more plausible explanation that he was careless and stupid but didn't have any ill intent.

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[kickz]

WOW, that just kept getting worse the more I read...

 

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I did argue against your point at the time, in the sense that your point was that masturbating at work is no big deal. Your reply to me certainly hasn't aged any better.

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I stand by my reply. You claimed baselessly that he was "getting off on doing it while his co-workers are 'present" and then left, but now "my reply hasn't aged any better" yet you still don't refute anything I've written.

To be clear: of course this doesn't excuse other horrible stuff he apparently has done, but I fail to see why you are digging up my previous comments, except for wanting to make it look like I am somehow excusing this behavior as well.

 

[RedMercury]

Damn this is messed up, the firing makes a lot more sense now, not that there wouldn't have been that expectation beforeI Iguess

 

[RedMercury]

Damn this is messed up, the firing makes a lot more sense now, not that there wouldn't have been that expectation beforeI I guess

Zoom feeds aren't always-on connections to your coworkers that you can forget about. They're like Skype calls. You join for a particular meeting. There's no reason anyone should be jerking off and looking at porn in the middle of a work meeting regardless of whether or not they're in the office, working remotely, camera on, or camera off.

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Yeah sorry if it's some bullshit meeting, fuck it, do whatever. I'll play a game, play some guitar, work shouldn't own you to that degree.

 

[Zemst]

The downplaying of this guys actions in the last thread was something else.

 

[24thFrame]

Yeah sorry if it's some bullshit meeting, fuck it, do whatever. I'll play a game, play some guitar, work shouldn't own you to that degree.

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We're talking about jerking off to porn, not playing a fucking video game. I'm no prude, but understanding that you don't involve people in your sex life without their consent, REGARDLESS of whether they're aware of their involvement or not, is sex-positivity 101.

 

[LinkStrikesBack]

Yeah sorry if it's some bullshit meeting, fuck it, do whatever. I'll play a game, play some guitar, work shouldn't own you to that degree.

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Bloody hell, there's a difference between checking your twitter or New horizons village and wanking during a public meeting.

I can't believe I had to type that.

 

[Nepenthe]

Are any women surprised and shocked by this turn?....

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ANY women?

 

[RedMercury]

We're talking about jerking off to porn, not playing a fucking video game. I'm no prude, but understanding that you don't involve people in your sex life without their consent, REGARDLESS of whether they're aware of their involvement or not, is sex-positivity 101.

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The other poster made it sound like, let's say you have a meeting you don't have anything to really do with. Your camera is off, your mic is off, you're just a blank zoom square or whatever. At that point, at least to me what you do with that time shouldn't be anyone's business right?

Bloody hell, there's a difference between checking your twitter or New horizons village and wanking during a public meeting.

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Of course they are very different things, but at the core of it your work either owns your mind during that time or they don't, right? It's not something I'd do obviously, you'd have to be either real dumb or real reckless to even consider it, but what someone is doing when I can't even see or hear them, whether that be looking at a NSFW picture on reddit inadvertently or watching an adult video, like it's weird but it doesn't have to be inherently an evil thing, except in this case it seems like it was.