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Jedi Fallen Order - Next gen optimization update
- Thread starter Theorry
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Yeah. We're seeing that a lot because of the way updates and skus work on PS vs Xbox. Can't just update a PS game 'into' it's next gen version like on Xbox, needs a whole new PS5 SKU, so the best you'll get before that is updates that let the last gen version push dynamic improvements higher
Yeah, just checked this - this is a terrible choice (I am downloading the PS4 version on my PS4 Pro to see if it's the same).
For this patch, they are using a PS5 'compatible mode' firmware (8.01) - this means they can easily say to the game what to happen if it's PS4/ PS4 Pro or PS5 hardware.
I can't understand how a AAA developer is making this strange choice - my PS4 title with PS4 Pro support is also 3D sci-fi game with mostly high-quality assets (hi-poly meshes, PBR materials, dynamic lighting, etc), using Unreal 4. I have more than one visual mode that works wonderfully on PS5 - from 1440p/30FPS on PS4 Pro to 2160p/60FPS on PS5 (it is the same for the Xbox One/Series version of my game).
From what I see there's a lot of disinformation about PS5 back-compatibility in this thread. It is not that different - the main difference is that you can have VRR and up to 120FPS on Xbox One X and no VRR and 60FPS maximum on PS4 Pro - but these restrictions have nothing to do with choice for Fallen Order.
The information about how much of the hardware both consoles are using for BC is NDA, but from my perspective, this is a very bad choice regarding PlayStation players. Again, I know how this engine works on PS4/XBO - my game is also heavy on streaming assets in and out constantly.
I simply have no logical explanation of why they removed 4K/30 mode for PS5 - it was working just fine in this mode in the previous patch.
They've removed the 4k mode? That's weird.
I'd rather play in the performance mode (even at just 1200p) but surprising that they've just deleted the 4k/Quality mode from the PlayStation version specifically.
1200p is a lot closer to 1080p, and 1080p is around 25% of 4K. So its a rather low resolution, 1500p is around 50% of 4K
No. 4K screens aren't Some newfangled tech. We played God of War and Forza Horizon 4 at 1080p performance modes and neither was remotely close to 'soft as hell'.
God of war still runs at 1080p locked 60fps on PS5 and looks very good.
I thought crowd density in cyberpunk was a XOX enhancement that PS4 Pro didn't have.
....I just finished Fallen Order. Should've waited. Oh well, really enjoyed it. If there's a sequel I'm there day one.
I'm the last to pretend that's an unplayable resolution (I played at 1080p to get the benefit of 60 fps in this game just recently), but it's still soft for a bigger 4K set.
My math is [1920*1200 = 2,304,000] as the numerator, divided by [3840*2160 = 8,294,400] as the denominator, so I don't think it's anywhere near your number for how close it is to 4K. It's ~28%, by my count.
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Removing framerate limits and dynamic resolution caps are such simple ways to future proof games, I hope we see much more of this.
I'm also glad that while there are drawbacks to the backwards compatibility approach of PS5 vs XSX, PS4 games are at least able to "know" when they are running on PS5 for platform exclusive benefits.
I'm also glad that while there are drawbacks to the backwards compatibility approach of PS5 vs XSX, PS4 games are at least able to "know" when they are running on PS5 for platform exclusive benefits.
Interesting examples. I agree that God of War's IQ was WAY better than it should have been at 1080p. It wasn't the IQ that kept me from playing it in performance mode, it was the... Performance. At the time, the FPS was all over the place, except anywhere near 60. 30fps offered a much more stable experience.
Contrastingly, I chose to play FH4 in quality mode because their motion blurring is just. so. good. that I felt the IQ hit wasn't worth a little bit of extra smoothness.
In this case, they actively removed a mode.
If the PS4 Pro version of the resolution mode was doing 30 fps at a higher resolution, I don't see anything preventing them from offering a higher resolution for the resolution mode. They bumped up the internal res for the performance mode so we know what modes can benefit from higher resolutions.
I'm not sure why the 30 fps mode was omitted here but it doesn't seem like a BC limitation.
This patch does tell us that the PS5 native mode can indeed offer higher resolutions than PS4 Pro mode.
There's more to image quality than just resolution.
For what is worth, I won't be missing the 4k 30fps mode on PS5. I tested both modes extensively and 1080p 60fps was definitely the way to go in my opinion.
Me too. Passed over the title the last few sales, would have bought if really patched for next gen. Maybe late.r
Cool...got this during the holiday sale but haven't really started it yet. I like how some of these updates are being handled...a PS5 version is not really needed and it's nice to have the option of keeping it on external storage since it's still a PS4 game. GR Breakpoint was the same way too.
I literally finished it last week.
Best game of the last 3 years in my personal case. I had NO IDEA it was this good.
Played it on the Series X, will need to replay it with these enhancements.
So this is out now? I don't know that this is a big enough bump to get me to want to replay it, but I've been thinking about it lately. Oh hell...maybe a quick playthrough before Hitman 3 comes out.
Also, along with Days Gone and Ghosts of Tsushima, these games aren't taking advantage of the DualSense capabilities so it makes sense I can still use my DS4 with back-button attachment.
It irks me when a 3 year old game like Destiny 2 gets a PS5 version, does nothing with the DualSense, yet suddenly it's DualSense exclusive....??? Just why
There's been fantastic non-native implementations. Actually, some are better than the native. This is a problem with their game specifically. It runs terribly, we already know that. But it must be worse under the hood than many of us thought if these systems can't brute force through a lot of it. There's some issue that was masked due to limitations of last gen hardware that's showing its face here.
Again, the Xbox implementation is applauded. The Xbox version has the same issue. It's not the hardware.
Seriously, Sony need to get it together. This keeps happening.
Keep your expectations in check. Not only is 4k60 costly but the game wasn't built with next-gen hardware in mind. We are lucky to be getting any patch at all.
I'm sure it could do 4K/60 in BC if EA wanted it to be. We have other examples of BC titles running at 4K/60 or at least dynamic 4K/60.
This is Sony's BC, better than expected, not as robust as Xbox. Sony isn't going to do anything.
Look at my post earlier in the thread (205) - it has nothing to do with Sony in this specific case.
Is it the lack of 4k 30 fps mode that is upsetting? Because that was existing fine before. The removal of an entire graphical setting is not some sort of PS5 limitation in BC. That's a development choice.
It doesn't seem clear why DRS is gone on PS5 in favor of 1200p.
XSX being between 1080p-1440p. If they removed DRS and had to pick a sweetspot resolution, it'd probably be somewhere around 1200p, too.