Can't say I'm surprised. I know a guy who refuses to play female characters because he feels "uncomfortable".
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Jason Schreier: "The developers of Assassin's Creed Odyssey wanted Kassandra to be the only playable lead. "Woman dont sell was said by leadership"
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I'm curious how they're going to play off Eivor in ACV. Given the character's name, it seems clear they intended a female lead. I wonder if Jason can likewise find someone that will confirm the male character was shoehorned into this one too (and, like ACO, put into the center of all the marketing).
I absolutely agree. Nobody can tell me that he didn't know what was going on inside his company especially with such an enormous amount of complaints and incidents. Yves needs to step down.
There were several ways that you could have made your point without diminishing discussion of the sex abuse in a story that was PRIMARILY about the sex abuse. You could have said that the other discussion is obviously more important but that this was a discussion on another aspect of Jason's story.
Instead you mocked the other discussion by making a blanket statement that this one has more meat to it and that "wow this is horrible Ubisoft is terrible!" is all anyone can say when having the other discussion. Well this is just false on it's face because both discussions could be as meaty or as vapid as you choose to make them. There is nothing inherently more affecting about this portion of Jason't story than the main one. So ya maybe go about it another way next time in your valiant defense of thread discussion. Maybe even pop into the other one and say "wow this is horrible Ubisoft is terrible!" I mean that is all there really is to say right?
I enjoyed playing as Kassy. She gave that strong feminine role and not that annoying force girly personality i despise a lot in anime.
If you checked I already posted in the other thread to disparage the folks turning a thread about sexual harassment into a thread about China.
Whenever I have a choice between a male or a woman character, I choose a woman. That's how you can notice if it's just a reskin of the male character or if they really spend sometime developing the female character.
I was surprised during the free week-end to play the latest entry of Ghost Recon, is it Breakpoint? first choice of character was a black woman. Fine by me, let's go!
I was surprised during the free week-end to play the latest entry of Ghost Recon, is it Breakpoint? first choice of character was a black woman. Fine by me, let's go!
Wow some of the things described in that article are horrifying. How on earth was stuff just allowed to continue like this? Unbelievable
When you have a thread critical of Ubisoft and certain prolific posters are not participating you know it's something truly indefensible
When you have a thread critical of Ubisoft and certain prolific posters are not participating you know it's something truly indefensible
There's various reasons why I said that Kassandra wasn't "tacked on" late in development like many here assumed.
Tell that to Tomb Raider, The Last of Us Part 2, Horizon, Final Fantasy XIII (the first ever FF trilogy), Control, etc etc.
Is this the early 90s?
Is this the early 90s?
I'm glad they let us choose between two protagonists in that game because it starts a trend where we'll always have a female option in the series going forward.
Utterly shocking that a company apparently chocked to the gills with sexual predators would also be promoting and perpetuating other misogynist bollocks dressed up as smart marketing plans.
Heh, I think I have a good guess on this. Ever the defenders of Ubisoft's games and never (at least I have not) to be seen in a thread comprising of criticism of that sexual predation and bigotry enabling company.
Reading the story now...but man...did they go out of their way to find the closest "Mad Men" they could. LOL. Look at how young Yves looks!
Yves knew about it, he met with them often on his family yacht yet he choose to do nothing for over a decade.I'm absolutely disappointed and angry in how they didn't do anything all those years
I wonder what Yves Guillemot has to say why he did this behaviour let slip for so long. There's no way he can't have known about this.
Or instead of appeasing the fragile male players, just have female protagonists period with no male option. That would be a step forward.
After everything that has come out, I wouldn't say no to the Rayman & Mario + Rabbids spirits as well as the Assassin's Creed & Rabbids Mii Costumes being removed from Smash Ultimate.
It's a real shame but sadly Ubisoft probably are right about games with female only leads not selling. Or certainly not selling as well as if a male was the lead
This is nothing new in the industry. Why do you think cyberpunk has the male v
on the cover?
I remember lionhead had the same problem with fable 2. They wanted a black female on the cover but Microsoft said it would never sell, so that's why you had that generic white male protagonist on the box.
I don't agree with it and to be clear, I played as Kassandra in Odyssey and adored Aloy in Horizon. I'll also be playing as the female v in cyberpunk.
All of you have mentioned TLOU2 and Horizon. True they sold huge amounts but the sad thing is they would have probably sold more if they had a male protagonist.
This is nothing new in the industry. Why do you think cyberpunk has the male v
on the cover?
I remember lionhead had the same problem with fable 2. They wanted a black female on the cover but Microsoft said it would never sell, so that's why you had that generic white male protagonist on the box.
I don't agree with it and to be clear, I played as Kassandra in Odyssey and adored Aloy in Horizon. I'll also be playing as the female v in cyberpunk.
All of you have mentioned TLOU2 and Horizon. True they sold huge amounts but the sad thing is they would have probably sold more if they had a male protagonist.
Are you planning to say or address anything in regards to the complaints made or is this really the only thing you're going to say about the whole affair?
I think there's the same things to discuss here and the other thread, because it comes from the same place and are both linked, which is mysogyny in the dev industry. These dev decisions are made because they are done in an environment of mysogyny and sexism, not because any other reasons (in 2020 no one will believe that games with female MC sell less, we all know it's just another excuse), so I don't think one thread foster more discussion than the other unless you think "of course, I liked Kassandra better" be a part of it.
Anyways, I wasn't thread-winning about the existence of the thread in itself, but yeah I'm surprised about the amount of talk of a small part of a big article, that's pretty much it. I see now too some people talking about matters of Ubi leads sexist behaviors in here too, so I guess this thread just catched more attention for all talking from those accussations from the article.
I don't think there's anything you can point to know there's a true link anymore between sales and the gender of MC, just old habits and yeah, sexism.
Horizon Zero Dawn is at +10M copies sold, Tomb Raider2013 and Rise also sold more like any other old TR, for putting an example.
How do you know? We don't have an alternate world where publishers made different decisions with promoting the exact same product only with a woman instead to compare.
Without that we can only speculate about comparative sales.
I need receipts for this.
This post reads like the privileged bemoaning the situation from afar summed up in " 🤷🏼♂️ ".
These are about changes that break a self fulfilling prophecy steeped in sexism.
Tomb Raider was already a thing in 1999, so yes that would be a hot even then
For years I wanted a female lead in ac, I found the fact that we always played as the same kind of generic character really boring as much as the gameplay loop and stopped buying them as a result, this way of thinking is backwards as hell, you want things to stand out so including a female lead would help that along anyway.
Should I ever buy any assassins creeds going forward I'll likely always choose who I feel fits the character better so Cassandra for example.
if someone came to me and said I couldn't because of sales I'd quit as soon as reasonably possible and find somewhere better to work.
Should I ever buy any assassins creeds going forward I'll likely always choose who I feel fits the character better so Cassandra for example.
if someone came to me and said I couldn't because of sales I'd quit as soon as reasonably possible and find somewhere better to work.
I mean it's a bad reason but I still prefer having a choice, if not a full character creator for RPG's (Valhalla will have one right?)
I mean, these things are all a result of poor decisions on their part.
I think the situation sucks. More female only leads are brilliant and more developers and publishers should be doing it.
Hell, I want more gay and transgender only characters.
My point is that not everyone thinks like that.
The argument that "games with women as protagonists don't sell" was a self fulfilling prophecy formed by the "video games are for boys" mentality that led to various games with women as protagonists, outside of the horror genre in particular, not getting as many resources and/or marketing as game starring men. There are various examples of games starring women that had huge marketing campaigns and just as many dev resources as a title like uncharted, which ended up selling well. Tomb Raider, Horizon, TLOU2, etc. That same "video games are for boys" mentality isn't even the whole picture, because for decades the medium was treated as "video games are for white males first and foremost." This is arguably the first generation of video games where that has been addressed and just looking at the various press conferences for next gen consoles you can see there's generally way more games being revealed with POC and women as the leads in a large range of genres. So when an exec says, "oh that wouldn't sell." They're out of touch.
That photo is so bizarre, it reminds you of some dumb ass templars that profit from an exploiting organization. I wonder why.
Also, now it makes so much sense why Aya was such a limited character despite really being the founder of the Hidden Ones and the character that turns out actually has a link to Kassandra, she was meant to have a much bigger part. Bayek was an interesting character and there's not many poc leads but we could have had a woc protag only Ubisoft pushed against it.
of course those games have sold incredibly well. My point is that sadly they probably would have sold MORE if they had a male protagonist.
Again, why do you think cyberpunk has the most generic boring box art? A male with a gun. Because that sells. A female on the box cover will not sell as well. It sucks, I don't agree with it and I don't understand it but it's the truth.