Tribal mentality + people are afraid they'll make the 'wrong' choice on their 500 dollar investment (spoiler: they won't with either).
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Jason Schreier: Playstation 5 more superior piece of Hardware in a lot of different ways despite of what you see in Spec Sheets
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Tribal mentality + people are afraid they'll make the 'wrong' choice on their 500 dollar investment (spoiler: they won't with either).
Damn at people doubting Jason. I wonder if the same people here were doing this in the Horizon PC port thread?
That's the major focus alongside the SSD, just like Sony's focus on SSD and 3D Audio.
I see some people are having a really hard time balancing the idea that the two machines may have different advantages, rather than one being roundly superior in all aspects.
The tech details are laid out. We can see where it's better 'in different ways'. It's not nebulous, made up, misterxmedia 'secret sauce'.
The tech details are laid out. We can see where it's better 'in different ways'. It's not nebulous, made up, misterxmedia 'secret sauce'.
It's not 20%. Where were you last gen when the gap was much much larger?
I think people will care about visuals and performance.
It comes down to exclusives.
And it comes down to resolution, framerate, load time etc. comparisons for multiplats.
But again, only a small portion of gamers care about that stuff. The vast majority won't even be aware.
Third party games will probably have better performance on xbox especially with raytracing involved. First party sony games though will be very interesting to see how they leverage the monster amount of i/o
Here we go. Hopefully all gamers just get great games. This whole console war spec war thing is so overdone. Let's see if developers actually use what is available to make better games. Not just try and give the best graphics and have framerate issues. Specs mean crap if developers just try and hit technical buzzwords.
Xbox Series X also has custom 3D audio.
The only massive difference that makes PS5 superior would be its SSD, but will that full power be used for 3rd party games that will be also on PC & XSX? We don't know. So it's likely its superiority will only matter on a few specific games.
Not that anyone cares, in the end. I still think games, services and support will define this generation again, like it always does :)
No reason to doubt Jason. I'm excited to see what devs can do with both the PS5 and the XsX and what kind of differences between the two will manifest.
Well being pro a certain console seems to drive more impressions. If I was media member/youtuber I'd cake for PS5 too. Good for business.
It's not really all surprising, the TF number is a theoretical max, so depends how well you can fill the pipeline. Can see 36 CUs being easier to fully utilise, plus they're running faster, while being combined with a faster SSD. It's like brute force vs elegance.
That said, given time...
That said, given time...
and you are telling me this because....
if there is any hope of ps5 being at least on par with sex even with weaker specs why i woulnd't be happy? it's the only console i'm forced to buy, so the more power\performance, the better...
Can't wait to see some of those exclusives to see the tech in action.
Not sure about superior when it's factually not...superior.
At least this got me a bit more excited for the PS5 because after that bc news yesterday...
Not sure about superior when it's factually not...superior.
At least this got me a bit more excited for the PS5 because after that bc news yesterday...
Jason usually has pretty good sources, so I'm willing to bet he isn't making things up. I wonder if the SSD allows for some texture streaming or something that punches above what the Xbox can do. That said in regards to framerates and resolution math usually doesn't lie, but a 17% difference isn't really going to matter much. They are both looking like great machines.
Pretty much.
I forgot how much I hate the run up to new systems. Everyone becomes a renewed console warrior and reacts to the vaguest comments like they have advanced knowledge of complex computer science concepts.
I really want to see some devs comment on it beyond just a "im so excited!" or "looks great!".
I want to know specifically WHY they seem so amped about it.
Easier to develop for than current consoles? XSX?
Is the SSD stuff just turn-key automatic and they will benefit even in multiplatform games?
Is the CPU/GPU variable clockspeed stuff also turn-key?
Does that make it easier in some ways than fixed speed?
Are the 3D audio tools easy for them to use?
Does Sony have some awesome API and SDK stuff they're giving devs (already) that make all this stuff brain dead easy?
Really curious, and I am still a little cautious about there being a noticeable gulf between third party games. I also want to know if PS5 makes it more tempting for devs to make PS5 exclusives because they want to make something interesting and new instead of something that has to work across multiple platforms.
I want to know specifically WHY they seem so amped about it.
Easier to develop for than current consoles? XSX?
Is the SSD stuff just turn-key automatic and they will benefit even in multiplatform games?
Is the CPU/GPU variable clockspeed stuff also turn-key?
Does that make it easier in some ways than fixed speed?
Are the 3D audio tools easy for them to use?
Does Sony have some awesome API and SDK stuff they're giving devs (already) that make all this stuff brain dead easy?
Really curious, and I am still a little cautious about there being a noticeable gulf between third party games. I also want to know if PS5 makes it more tempting for devs to make PS5 exclusives because they want to make something interesting and new instead of something that has to work across multiple platforms.
Wow, era shatters jason's credibility here, obviously forum armchair developers geniuses understands more than real developers who are talking to Jason :p
The PS5 does have advantages and not all of them are on the dry spec sheet, a lot of the real advantages are the amount of custom silicon that Sony are going for with this, which cerny explained quite well.
The PS5 does have advantages and not all of them are on the dry spec sheet, a lot of the real advantages are the amount of custom silicon that Sony are going for with this, which cerny explained quite well.
I don't think Jason has been wrong about any of the next gen stuff yet, so we'll see I guess.
If I had to guess, he's referring to the IO set up or SSD speed, higher frequency clocks etc. I don't think it's pie in the sky stuff (eg like Cloud, dGPU etc was for the Xbox One) but actual tangible stuff.
How all these things impacts games remains to be seen however. First year is going to be filled with cross gen games, so I doubt they fully make use of the new hardware anyway, not from a ground up design perspective anyway.
If I had to guess, he's referring to the IO set up or SSD speed, higher frequency clocks etc. I don't think it's pie in the sky stuff (eg like Cloud, dGPU etc was for the Xbox One) but actual tangible stuff.
How all these things impacts games remains to be seen however. First year is going to be filled with cross gen games, so I doubt they fully make use of the new hardware anyway, not from a ground up design perspective anyway.
My fear would be that cross platform games will have to be developed for both devices, so only exclusives can fully make use of that kind of superior storage bandwidth.
Targeting systems with varying degrees of GPU horsepower is something that devs are kinda used to.
Targeting systems with varying degrees of storage bandwidth seems like a huge pain in the ass.
Like, you can reduce the resolution or frame rate between two versions of the game - can't really reduce your protagonist's running speed :P
So was the PS3 compared to the Xbox 360...
In this case at least a lot of developers seem to be on board, so it'll be interesting to see how this goes.
In this case at least a lot of developers seem to be on board, so it'll be interesting to see how this goes.
In regards to 3D Audio and SSD, Sony has the advantage based on the custom designs, whereas Microsoft has the advantage over CPU, RAM, GPU and Backwards Compatibility. Either way, we win heavily as gamers.
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