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Jason Schreier - CD Projekt Red Boss Again Promises That Cyberpunk Devs Won't Have To Crunch, Consulting with Haitian NGO Regarding Voodoo Boys
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I'd say "We talked to Haitian people" would be a bit too vague.
My perspective is from a medical residency. There are laws in place that limit us to 80 hours per week and a minimum of 10 hours between shifts and we're required to log our hours to make sure we comply. And even with these restrictions in place, when you see your coworkers working longer hours than you, it makes you feel that going home would place a burden on them, so residents still stay late and lie about their hours. Unless you promote a culture of maintaining a healthy work-life balance where staff are encouraged by management to go home, it's easy for hours to creep up until you realize you've barely seen your family in several days.
Yeah, I kind of see it like GTA: San Andreas. As a black dude I was excited to have a game that had a ton of black people in all sorts of leading roles and a black protagonist. Yeah they were mostly gangbangers or a dirty cop, but then everyone you encounter is kind of fucked up, so they aren't uniquely villainous/bad people within the context of the game
I do wonder if keeping them as a white gang wouldn't have just had people complaining about a missed opportunity to have actual Haitians instead (ie. like having Danny Rand/Iron Fist be white instead of Asian). It's possible
It's really not odd at all. An NGO is any non-government organization. For instance if you were doing a game that involved Native American culture, you're not just going to talk to your random Native American friend who might not be part of the tribe your interested in or might not know anything. You're going to talk to some tribal organization. That's all he meant
Well I think that the people complaining to the company, and if the company actually shows their work, then it could be evaluated on and rewarded on merit. If they actually portray Haitian people well, that could be an admitted plus. If they put in an option for non-binary and trans representation in a non-exploitative way, would that be a sign that they have listened and learned something at least? Did they basically earn a final 5 minutes to explain from the people who originally said fuck off? Maybe, maybe not. Time will show.
But does that show the merit of telling the company they fucked up? And how it was done?
Great interview by Jason. He continues to ask the questions that need to be asked.
I'm excited for Cyberpunk and well aware of how controversial CDPR has been. Lets wait for the final product and then judge.
Also if Haitians are happy seeing themselves represented then that's all there is to it. It doesn't need to be deeper than that.
I'm excited for Cyberpunk and well aware of how controversial CDPR has been. Lets wait for the final product and then judge.
Also if Haitians are happy seeing themselves represented then that's all there is to it. It doesn't need to be deeper than that.
Yeah that's another issue. Leaving and having your coworkers work more. For us our system of break is that every 3 weeks you get a 3 day weekend so try to work what is expected of you and your coworkers.
Some of my coworkers have no hobbies and get bored easily though, so they don't mind coming in to work 7 days a week. I do. So I work what is expected and ask for favors to take care of personal situations whenever needed and nobody complains since they understand in here its hard to take care of personal business when you're working 6 days a week and living by yourself.
There's no easy to go to solution unfortunately unless the entire general location you live in unionizes or agrees on a standard the competition can't take advantage on.
In this forum theres still a little butthurt of cdpr of getting most of the gotys for the witcher 3 that year instead of gaf/era's darling bloodborne.
I really REALLY hope people are actually not that pity and im just imagining things (and im not saying here the game is not open to criticising, far from that) but when you start seeing the usualy suspects doing it and you remember their reactions from that goty times, yeah...
Actually that's not fair enough at all either. This "no forgiveness, no benefit of the doubt, ever" attitude is toxic af.
I don't think it is odd. By saying NGO there is an implication they are speaking to an organisation that has put themselves forward as representatives of their culture, rather than random Haitians, and perhaps are more informed or are experts on the impact and legacy that bad representation in a massive game like Cyberpunk could have.
But that's just how it is. That's just an honest answer.
If he said "No, we made 100% sure there is no pressure" that would just be a lie because you cannot ensure that.
Fixed it for ya:
I mean, strictly gameplay wise, ONE OR TWO media outlets have been critical about the feeling of the shooting and a lot of press were impressed by gameplay mechanics that's why they gave a shit load of awards to Cyberpunk.
This was another great interview by Jason, stellar work. It sounds like a step in the right direction by CD Red, we'll see with more time.
That's where I'm at as well. I really do appreciate that they're trying to say the right things and respond rather than ignoring controversy. I'd like to reward that, even if they're imperfect. Still, if it's just lip service and the game turns out to be all edgelord all the time I still have a hard time believing I'd enjoy it.
This is not uncommon. I despise Facebook and everything they stand for yet I just bought the Oculus Quest.
Yeah, this. I don't think that CDPR deserve denying them the benefit of the doubt, as a lot of people here do.
Not me.
I refuse to buy anything from this developer because they've been harmful to my community. I won't support them and why should I? I'm not a gamer who is going to go against my beliefs to play some dumb game.
Maybe they should bring in people from the queer and trans community and try to do better with that situation.
They are consulting with Haitian NGO to get representation of Haitians and their culture right and Marcin said that they consult people and organizations about matters they don't know enough about. So what if it ends up that they consulted queer, trans and non-binary communities about this game and with their help did best they could?
If they were actively doing that with the LGBTQ community, we would've been told so because of the backlash they've faced. If they do decide to go out of their way and educate themselves and put that information into the game, I would be grateful for that. It shows that the people who work there are willing to educate themselves and grow in progressive ways. But everything I've seen so far shows that they're ignorant on the subject and don't know how to approach it.
Nar ofc not, i just thought it was strange. In my mind an NGO wouldn't know jack about gang culture - Unless they are a gang.
Knowing how bad people are at communicating, even after years of doing it and being educated to the field, I wouldn't assume that they would just say that even after backslash. People can be and are bad at communicating.
Wait and see at this point I guess. They have talked about wanting to do it right as they can and about consulting people who know better, now we just need to see if it pays off at the end.
I think they want to nail proper presentation of Haitian people and culture in general, not just gangs.
People who want change often focus on absolutes. WE 100% CRUSHED IT! But realistically, people can't be depended on for perfection. I think people took this comment as a half-assed we are working on it rather than what I took from it which is more along the same lines you did. By mandating 100% against something, you can create an issue where people who like to work OT feel dissatisfied and detached from their work. I think the whole comment is trying to take responsibility for the issue and create an environment where any type of worker can thrive. And that's not an overnight fix.
TBF thats mostly only on ERA. No matter which forum, site or community you check there is hype hype hype for Cyberpunk.
I doubt they're looking for input on gangs, that's already covered by the original material. They're looking for input on how to properly represent their(Haitian) culture and language.
It feels good to have problematic studios out here making promises, and huge forces in the industry like Nintendo and Microsoft speaking out against crunch and pushing their games to avoid it. I hope it isn't just talk though. We need unions so these interviews with management and anonymous employees leaking info to the press aren't the only vectors we have to see how things are going at any particular studio.
I mean, that stuff is part of the game. It's in the game.
It's getting a lot of hype (it's gradually becoming my most hyped game ever), but there's been some well deserved trepidation surrounding it this week.
I personally think CDPR has responded to it in all the right ways so far. But I'll remain at least somewhat nervous about it until I get the chance to play it myself.