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Or it'll make sure that people are actually getting paid what they're worth in relation to other people/jobs.
The only people who dislike wage transparency are CEOs. Gtfo with this bootlicking bs.
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Jason Schreier/Bloomberg: Blizzard Workers Share Salaries in Revolt Over Wage Disparities
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The only people who dislike wage transparency are CEOs. Gtfo with this bootlicking bs.
How though.
Hostility I can see - that would 100% happen in my workplace - but limit negotiating? Nah.
Not surprising. Kottick has always been a selfish prick. Good on Zampella and West for not standing for it when they were in charge of Infinity Ward.
If you make the information open then the incentive may shift from not eanting to lose a good worker to not wanting to be accused of anything.
There is zero evidence of either happening. Being open about pay is important for every single worker.
Kotick earned that bonus, though, with all the good work he did this year on, uh...
Anyway, yeah. Blizzard churns talent. A lot of bright-eyed young graduates want to work there because they grew up with Blizzard games, and the company made a decision over a decade ago that rather than nurturing that talent they would work them half to death for half the going rate of their skill level in one of the most expensive zip codes in the country, then just casually replace them with a new graduating crop every year.
We're coming up on the point where those bad decisions will come home to roost, though. They could have used their legendary status to cultivate unparalleled talent and been virtually beyond reproach for generations, but instead they spent all that human capital on cash-ins and squandered their reputation. Graduates coming out of school in the coming years might know Blizzard as "those guys who made Overwatch, I think I played that in grade school" rather than the legendary studio whose games they grew up loving. They aren't going to get preferential hires anymore, and they haven't done a good job of retaining and developing existing talent to survive without the talent churn.
Anyway, yeah. Blizzard churns talent. A lot of bright-eyed young graduates want to work there because they grew up with Blizzard games, and the company made a decision over a decade ago that rather than nurturing that talent they would work them half to death for half the going rate of their skill level in one of the most expensive zip codes in the country, then just casually replace them with a new graduating crop every year.
We're coming up on the point where those bad decisions will come home to roost, though. They could have used their legendary status to cultivate unparalleled talent and been virtually beyond reproach for generations, but instead they spent all that human capital on cash-ins and squandered their reputation. Graduates coming out of school in the coming years might know Blizzard as "those guys who made Overwatch, I think I played that in grade school" rather than the legendary studio whose games they grew up loving. They aren't going to get preferential hires anymore, and they haven't done a good job of retaining and developing existing talent to survive without the talent churn.
I get it looks bad... that Kotick makes 300-400x's more than the average employee, but his work is like 300-400x's that of the average employee. If anything the employees should be GRATEFUL that they can even make near that much... Bobby had to take a 5% paycut like 5 years ago.
Dammit beaten.
WHAT A WORLD.
Dammit beaten.
WHAT A WORLD.
I don't know how many minimum wage jobs you have worked, but I'm an expert {Serious but I couldnt pass up the opportunity of the meme) I started there and worked really hard and gained maximum raises through hard work then the minimum wage rate was going into effect. the people who didnt try as hard but had been around for awhile were upset that they would be making as much as new people, even though they would be making more in general, ....Almost everyone is in favor of a merit based system{which is subjective)
I'm not assuming that. I stated that the article should address that so people dont assume
What does this have to do with a minimum wage increase what
We're not advocating to pay every person the same amount
I have been on the other end of the "We are are raising the minimum pay and and now everyone including new hires is going to make more than you are now" situation and I cant tell you how pissed people working their were
I'm confused why we don't have any numbers at all of what the employees are making. Sure, maybe sharing the spreadsheet isn't the best but... what's the average salary? What's the minimum? How many people are making below... 50k?
Sure, the whole CEO thing is really dumb but we need NuMbErS! Someone tag Jason.
Sure, the whole CEO thing is really dumb but we need NuMbErS! Someone tag Jason.
Wage transparency benefits the workers/employees. This reads like a boogeyman narrative that higher ups would use to justify not implementing transparency or cracking down on it.
We'd be better off if we shifted the culture around wages away from it being this taboo thing that shouldn't be be discussed with your co-workers.
Anonymous wage transparency could be a good compromise between full transparency and no transparency. If the wage information is anonymised properly, people could see if they are being screwed by the company but it would also protect the employees from being targeted by hate of their peers.
Daily reminder Bobby Kotick (or "Boby Kotic" rather) is linked to Jeffrey Epstein:
Boby needs his pay to afford his "special" prostitutes. Please understand.
This kind of opinion sounds like something corporate would try to pull.
I agree with this. In my younger working days, i thought it was normal to share wages but as i grow older, i kept my wages to myself and just give a rough ballpark number to people that ask. Reason was in every working environment, there was the normal working dudes, and the lazy/troublemakers. It demoralized me for awhile when i accidentally realize one of my problematic colleague was earning more than me.
But what if one day you're sure you'll be the millionaire starving your employees to death? Any day now!
So, I;m getting a crap ton of replies which is a problem because im not trying to derail this thread. I find Jason great and he was the only reason I visited Kotaku(now I never visit their site). So I am going to sum up my position in a post and wont respond unless it is directly related to Jason's article.
1. Jason posted Koticks salary and stock incentives to show he was making too much but when citing the people quoting that they couldnt make rent or couldnt afford food, no salary was given. These people may in fact, not be making enough money but it should be the interviewers duty to ask and report the answer, whatever it be.
2. I have worked many minimum wage jobs. In the ones that actually give reviews and raises based on performance, How much you raise was, was widely asked about and led to a lot of resentment by those that did not get a similar raise which caused a lot of negativity and resentment in the workplace.
3. The company I worked for announced a company wide increase. Those that had working for the company for awhile did not appreciate that they would be making the same amount as new hires.
You're not derailing. It's a natural evolution of the conversation that stemmed from the article. You've also provided two responses to are part of that conversation so with
There are both beneficial stories for you and your coworkers. Knowing what others make will put into perspective what the company thinks of you comparatively. If the company wants to have all new hires earn the same wages as established employees who have earned periodic raises, it creates a situation where you as an experienced worker have information to act on. You can ...
Talk to your boss about an experience / merit-based raise
or
Look for a job that will pay you appropriately for your skill set and experience
You see resentment. I see empowerment.
And you didn't utilize this increase in minimum wage to negotiate yourself a higher salary? Seems like you messed up not the system. That or your skills aren't any more valuable than anyone else's were so you had no negotiation leverage...which again sounds like a you issue
OK, so I've experienced minimum wage increases at a minimum wage job multiple times and have never seen this happen from employees, the only negative was from management/owners complaining about having to pay people more. Even if this were a common mindset (it isn't), it is still monumentally stupid and should be treated as such.
1. I genuinely appreciate the sincerity of your post.
2.You are misunderstanding, I am not talking about me. I started as a minimum wage employing but performed well enough that I was making slightly more at the time. The resentment came from those that had been there for a long time that hadnt promoted becuase they did the the bear minimum or were working their part time as a side job
Sooo I was never in that group at that time. Im just posting their reactions in this thread.
Its weird, I am getting the old "pull your boots up by their straps" mentality
Funny. Let's get the spreadsheets of the rest of the video game companies. Get off your high horses. I guarantee you your favorite companies pay their employees shit.
Do you think most of the people here wouldn't say the same thing or havent already lol
After reading the replies, I feel i should mention, I have never worked at a place that has hired new people for more then the current staff. It has been anounced that new staff would be making as much as veteran staff.
Profits keep the doors open. Jesus. No one is going to pay for "bad" games or unsuccessful games. Is his compensation too high? Perhaps. Easy to armchair CEO.
lol wat
did anyone say otherwise
EDIT: is this person a known blizzard fanatic or something
It's well known by industry professionals that Blizzard has always offered incredibly low salaries to all but the senior staff and management. Developers still choose to work there for the supposed prestige and/or resume padding that the name Blizzard secures.
Of the half dozen other devs I know that went to work for Blizzard (on Overwatch, Diablo and WoW), all of them took significant pay cuts for the exact same job titles and descriptions for the supposed privilege of working for Blizzard.
Yeah, other studios also pay below industry average (that's why it's called an average), but Blizzard is one of the most well known studios to pay exceedingly below average to mid and low-level developers.