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Gross. Those in glass houses shouldnt be throwing stones.
If this is your gotcha moment, it doesn't quite land. I am not going to waste a single pull on Lilibet, and if the trend of sexualized children continues past her character, will sever my ties with the game forever. I have been playing E7 since launch, but it wouldn't be the first time I have quit a game over this.
That said, I remain doubtful that gacha games will be sanctioned for one or two bad apples among their designs. But go ahead and ask staff, maybe they'll enjoy looking into the game some more.
If there is an arguable difference between FGO and AL (and similar marry-em-alls), it would be that out of around 250 characters in FGO (including all Servants with an ID plus other characters), the amount of clearly underage ones is less than ten, and the amount of ones you could argue are "sexualized" are less than five, and the amount of those that REALLY lean into that are basically just one, and that one character only shows up in a single event and almost never again outside of one or two very small bits. It's gross, but not ever-present or anything worse than you might find in something like Danganronpa at its lowest. You could argue it would be bannable, but there are a ton of games that would also be bannable in that case (Danganronpa, arguably Fire Emblem cause of Nowi, etc.).
Meanwhile in Azur Lane you can "marry" any character in the game and there's a sexual "special touch" line for all of them no matter how young they look. And there's like, dozens of these characters.
Meanwhile in Azur Lane you can "marry" any character in the game and there's a sexual "special touch" line for all of them no matter how young they look. And there's like, dozens of these characters.
The difference is tho that lilibet is a outlier with an awful design while azur lane (which i even played for some time during its jp release (belfast best maid)) has dozens of it and you can marry them.
Off the top of my head Granblue seems fairly mild but the cast is fucking gigantic so I'm probably just forgetting some
Off the top of my head I remember Yaia's 5* addition being rather uncomfortable for some but I would personally say that's not remotely the same kind of scope as AL.
It's pretty clear you are a big hypocrite, that's what I meant
So it's ok if it is only one?
Why didn't you just cut ties with Azur Lane and leave it at that? You can't even commit to saying that you would be calling for E7's ban, just that you would stop playing the game.
Did you forget SG added Dizzy recently and her whole backstory from Guilty Gear? Then you have Luluca and Lilibet who are new characters for this story arc.
My personal feelings on matters are that if the game isn't banned on retail/digital stores or an adult-only title (obviously), that it should be fair to discuss. Regardless of whether someone might have issues with the game, as long as it's not illegal or breaking any laws, it should be okay. But hey, it's not my website. I don't make the rules.
For the record, I've yet to marry anyone in Azur Lane and I've been playing since launch. If I were ever to give someone a ring it'd be Akagi/Kaga/Atago/Takao/Amagi/etc., but the rings are too valuable so I've been hoarding them all
For the record, I've yet to marry anyone in Azur Lane and I've been playing since launch. If I were ever to give someone a ring it'd be Akagi/Kaga/Atago/Takao/Amagi/etc., but the rings are too valuable so I've been hoarding them all
Look, guys. I outed myself as the person who requested the ban so I could tell you why the game takes things a step too far compared to other gacha games. Most of them have problematic elements - and the staff knows this - but there is levels to everything. Azur Lane takes it too far and isn't being subtle about it. You can harass me all you want, but this is not the gacha apocalypse you make it out to be. The FEH OT as well as others will still be here a month from now.
Your insistence of bringing up a character that is a first in a game I play and doesn't at all put E7 on the same level as Azur Lane speaks volumes about your lack of empathy in regards to the topic of child objectification. Your game was taken away, and you're throwing a tantrum.
So what's the ratio of objectionable content to acceptable before it's no good?
I'd wager a marriage mechanic involving children is a good cut-off line.
Yet, their appearance isn't objectionable enough itself? Along with Lilibeth, Luluca, and Dizzy. We're talking borderlines then.
As one of the few (in)active posters that posted in KC thread every 3-4 months about event mechanics. Fine I understand why but those reasons has never leaked in the thread. If game OTs are getting nuke for marriages or dating reasons, I would expect no double standards and any games that has anything similar be also ban.
Of course, there will be double standards and we get screwed over...
Of course, there will be double standards and we get screwed over...
So I can request that FE be ban right then if there are marriage or dating reasons in the new FE? Dating mechanics like in Persona series is fine or banable btw?
I feel stupider having to google what was going on, that thread on the old site is a special kind of dumb.
"The start of a trend"? what about Ravi who is more or less entirely naked, Maid Chloe, Kitty Clarissa, Achates or the current banner unit Luluca? (And thats just the "loli" designs, what about nearly all the female character designs? Good old Commander Lorina going into battle in her bra and panties and its genuinely hard to think of female characters who dont have suspenders) It's not "the start of a trend" its a continuation of a trend thats been in the game since launch. People are kidding themselves if they think its an "outlier" (On a tangent Phyllis is a child? How can you tell anyones age in Epic 7? )
Those numbers seem generous, Jack (bannable for this alone I'd imagine), Helena, Shuten-Doji, Illya, Chloe and Elisabeth (brave) all seem unequivocally sexualised.
"The start of a trend"? what about Ravi who is more or less entirely naked, Maid Chloe, Kitty Clarissa, Achates or the current banner unit Luluca? (And thats just the "loli" designs, what about nearly all the female character designs? Good old Commander Lorina going into battle in her bra and panties and its genuinely hard to think of female characters who dont have suspenders) It's not "the start of a trend" its a continuation of a trend thats been in the game since launch. People are kidding themselves if they think its an "outlier" (On a tangent Phyllis is a child? How can you tell anyones age in Epic 7? )
Those numbers seem generous, Jack (bannable for this alone I'd imagine), Helena, Shuten-Doji, Illya, Chloe and Elisabeth (brave) all seem unequivocally sexualised.
Then I'm not sure why we should be confident in FEH staying. The imagery of summoner/ally S rank support very closely resembles a marriage ceremony, and you could do that with the child characters. Sanaki even comes ready made with a fitting bridal gown!
The idea of a game where the goal is to collect women like Pokemon, including underage characters should be grounds already for discussion to be banned, yet here we are. Fire Emblem shouldn't be safe since you can marry and procreate with the underage characters as well in the 3DS games.
Edit: Removed the word "enslave", as pointed out by a user that is a bit hyperbolic. Its still stands that regardless of the story reasons, you're still collecting people, reducing them to an object to be gained.
Edit: Removed the word "enslave", as pointed out by a user that is a bit hyperbolic. Its still stands that regardless of the story reasons, you're still collecting people, reducing them to an object to be gained.
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Here is the AL thread check how many times I posted there
I'm not throwing a tantrum at all because of it. I don't care about the tread being closed, but i can't let your hypocrisy pass without pointing it out , Lilibeth is one example there is others like others pointed out
Speaking of Kitty Clarissa, remember her origins? She got even younger too when her moonlight counterpart finally released.
Hey now, enslavement is a bit of a loaded term when a lot of these games present it as recruiting companions for a journey. Also quite a number of us play the games for the male character designs too. I know that I do.
I mean you can essentially marry characters in FE too, so you might want to report that too and make even more friends
User Banned (3 days): hostility
It's kind of fucked up if you guys are trying to get other people's homes burned down. Just realize you have a Narc in your presence. Put them on ignore and then you dont even have to acknowledge their existence. Then move on.
I completely forgot this function existed so thank you for reminding me.
Who's reporting? I'm not. You can ask the mods for receipts.
Sure, you can argue that. Personally, I have a tolerance level a bit higher than those three being a thing, but I won't tell you your concerns are misplaced. So if you are not just trying to paint me as a hypocrite right now but feel that way yourself, feel free to report it. I am not judge nor executioner.
While I am not a fan of big-breasted characters like Lorina, Silk or Luna that exist only to pop boners, and do not use any of them for that reason, at least they are adult characters. I hope you can see the difference in that to what we are discussing right now. As for Pyllis, she seems to be a friend of Ravi's that both were turned into wraiths at a young age, so I assume she is of similar age.
Sure. Keep berating me for asking a game that allows the player to marry children be banned. A worthy cause.
I wasn't aware this was about making friends. I am not losing sleep over people here disagreeing with me about my decision to report the game. I think Azur Lane is abhorrent and am happy this site chose not to be a platform for it any longer.
mod post - concerning recent game bans
Official Staff Communication
We would like to reiterate that we have no intention of banning all gatcha games -- the two that were banned were judged to have particularly egregious content and/or mechanics that were difficult to ignore. We do not see this as a slippery slope situation or something that extends to the genre as a whole.
There is no need to attack each other over this or abuse the report/contact systems to retaliate against other members or OTs.
There is no need to attack each other over this or abuse the report/contact systems to retaliate against other members or OTs.
Are you able to elaborate what said content and mechanics that made it difficult to ignore and why some of the popular games, sans E7 and FEH and FGO, aren't getting the axe. I don't disagree with the post. Just looking for some more elaboration with specificity so we can put all this to rest.
A blanket 'sexualized children are not okay' ban might be the right approach here. A firm standard built on what is fairly objectively true - sexualizing children is bad - should lead to equal enforcement, which should lead to fewer disputes and report button abuse and whatnot.
I find marriage mechanics in gacha games cringy at best but I dont really see a meaningful difference between "This image is offensive" and "This image is offensive but is somehow worse because you can pretend marry it." The offensive part is surely the image not its fictional context?
Sure, the difference is obvious, it was more of a tangent. My main point was that young female sexualised character design was part of Epic 7 since launch (e.g. Ravi) and not a recent trend or outlier.
Sure, the difference is obvious, it was more of a tangent. My main point was that young female sexualised character design was part of Epic 7 since launch (e.g. Ravi) and not a recent trend or outlier.
In the case of Azur Lane, it was a combination of ubiquitous imagery, dialogue, and mechanics. KanColle was much the same. We will not post image examples for obvious reasons, but we feel these would be edge cases in any genre.
Looking at it from an objective manner, pretty much. Gacha games inherently are gambling with characters as the reward. Characters that are then reduced to a collection of attributes, and thrown into tier lists for people to decide whether to keep them or trash them. Characters that don't make the cut are sacrificed without a care to build up other characters. Sometimes exceptions are made based on whether the owner likes the way they look, and sometimes an exception might even be influenced by their personality - assuming said character is actually developed beyond a paper thin trope. Then generally add in some form of relationship system where you can raise your status with every one of them without any chance of them objecting.
Honestly if you judge the mechanics by real life terms, instead of as works of fiction not meant to be taken seriously, they are all pretty horrible. Of course therein lies the crux of the issue - judging them by reality when they are about as detached from reality as you can get in plot, style, and premise.
I won't lie I think it's pointless , ban from here won't change the fact that people will keep playing the game , it still exists and it's out there, so if you are feeling good with yourself you should re evaluate it and being a hypocrite is not great either
I disagree. Look up the term 'deplatforming' please.
This is my personal opinion, but there is levels to everything. Ravi was the worst offender before, but Lilibet is so much worse. Like I said, every gacha comes with baggage, but E7 kept it low. If Lilibet is the start of a new wave of lolis, count me the fuck out.
I know what it means it changes nothing, the game is out there and doesn't need Era to thrive , sorry you can keep deluding yourself if it makes you feel better.
You guys really don't give a fuck, do you? Then that's how it is with you.
There is no equality. All bans are heavily subjective. Some games are banned for mild stuff while others with sexualisation are still OK and protected. You will never know what game will be banned next.
I think I agree... I find it rather strange that sexualization of characters that are minors (or physically appear to be such) seems to be fine unless it also has a pretend marriage aspect that instantly lands it on a banlist.
I also agree with the other part of the discussion where I'm a bit puzzled as to how much "deplatforming" a thread with three posts a week is going to accomplish when active daily discussion on Reddit, Twitter, Discord and such persists.
Edit: Just so that there are no misunderstandings - my own solution would be to just ban those images, like how the official FGO Discord is doing, rather than the entire OTs wholesale.
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You know the place. We do have #JalterSaltMines there.
And most likely #TalesOfCancelia when ever it is released with the info of closure.