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Japan’s Prime Minister Abe says there are issues with WHO, and Japan will review its funding after the pandemic
- Thread starter Armadilo
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100% right, Taiwan needs to be included in the WHO, and its omission in light of COVID is dumb, especially considering how well they have fared.
Obviously, the way Trump did it was dumb, if he had any sense, he could have just done the same thing as Abe and it would have been fine (but then he wouldnt be trump then)
Obviously, the way Trump did it was dumb, if he had any sense, he could have just done the same thing as Abe and it would have been fine (but then he wouldnt be trump then)
This seems the healthiest approach. This is really not the time to cut the funds to the main organization fighting against the virus, but there's definitely that China issue to clear up eventually.
Yes, I was about to say this. There's a middle ground between being a fucking asshole like Trump and acting like their actions towards the COVID pandemic have been impecable. Hell, they've been contradicting themselves about the efficiency of face masks for like a month now, when it's pretty damn clear that they do help stop the spread.
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They're going to shut the WHO down, aren't they? Everyone is going to want to blame someone else for this pandemic and it'll be the WHO that takes the fall.
This part seems to be the opposite of what was actually said:
BREAKING NEWS: WHO reform needed, no plan at all to cut funding: Abe
BREAKING NEWS: WHO reform needed, no plan at all to cut funding: Abe ==Kyodo
Japanese article:
首相記者会見全文（１１完）「ＷＨＯ分担金、出さないこと考えていない」（産経新聞） - Yahoo!ニュース
－－トランプ米大統領は世界保健機関（ＷＨＯ）が中国寄りとして資金拠出の停止を表明しているが、１６日の主要国（Ｇ７）首脳のテレビ会議で首相はＷＨＯについてどのように発言したのか。ＷＨＯへの資金拠出を見 - Yahoo!ニュース(産経新聞)
headlines.yahoo.co.jp
This part seems to be the opposite of what was actually said:
BREAKING NEWS: WHO reform needed, no plan at all to cut funding: Abe
BREAKING NEWS: WHO reform needed, no plan at all to cut funding: Abe ==Kyodoenglish.kyodonews.net
Japanese article:
首相記者会見全文（１１完）「ＷＨＯ分担金、出さないこと考えていない」（産経新聞） - Yahoo!ニュース
－－トランプ米大統領は世界保健機関（ＷＨＯ）が中国寄りとして資金拠出の停止を表明しているが、１６日の主要国（Ｇ７）首脳のテレビ会議で首相はＷＨＯについてどのように発言したのか。ＷＨＯへの資金拠出を見 - Yahoo!ニュース(産経新聞)headlines.yahoo.co.jp
So you're saying people are mistranslating to suit their own agenda?
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something is better than nothing at all when it comes to wearing a mask, not hard to understand.
Even 1 % of protection more than to not have anything is worth it. The least that people can do for one another, why not
sure reform the WHO but what makes people think the WHO will be able to make China budge from their one china policy?
US news entertainment doing a shitty job? quelle surpriseThis part seems to be the opposite of what was actually said:
BREAKING NEWS: WHO reform needed, no plan at all to cut funding: Abe
BREAKING NEWS: WHO reform needed, no plan at all to cut funding: Abe ==Kyodo
Japanese article:
首相記者会見全文（１１完）「ＷＨＯ分担金、出さないこと考えていない」（産経新聞） - Yahoo!ニュース
－－トランプ米大統領は世界保健機関（ＷＨＯ）が中国寄りとして資金拠出の停止を表明しているが、１６日の主要国（Ｇ７）首脳のテレビ会議で首相はＷＨＯについてどのように発言したのか。ＷＨＯへの資金拠出を見 - Yahoo!ニュース(産経新聞)headlines.yahoo.co.jp
Yeah, WHO taking a political stance regarding Taiwan is super messed up. There is definitely corruption behind the scenes.
The actual quote in the CNN article is correct, but that part isn't a part of the quote, so it's not even a translation?
I keep seeing this, and sure, Taiwan should be recognised.
But funnily enough I don't see Japan on this list. Or the USA. Or my own country, the UK, for that matter.
Foreign relations of Taiwan - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
So why is the WHO expected to do what Japan or the USA or EU countries won't?
Why doesn't the world just recognise Taiwan officially, China need to export etc. fuck them, what are they going to do?
I understand people thinking the WHO and others need to play nice so they have access or whatever in China but for China to be successful, they couldn't keep their nose out of joint and would have to accept the world calling their bluff?
I understand people thinking the WHO and others need to play nice so they have access or whatever in China but for China to be successful, they couldn't keep their nose out of joint and would have to accept the world calling their bluff?
I keep seeing this, and sure, Taiwan should be recognised.
But funnily enough I don't see Japan on this list. Or the USA. Or my own country, the UK, for that matter.
Foreign relations of Taiwan - Wikipedia
So why is the WHO expected to do what Japan or the USA or EU countries won't?
Because the nature of Japan, the US and the UK's relationship with Taiwan is fundamentally different from the complete exclusion that the WHO imposes on Taiwan. From my understanding, the WHO doesn't even allow Taiwan to participate behind the scenes, and considers anything that happens in Taiwan to be statistically part of China. It's not really the same thing.
I mean this is really naive to how the world works in the first place, but also even not going down the route of "everyone should just band together against china what are they gonna do!?" political naivety, the simplest answer is that maintaining relations with China is something most countries see as more beneficial over supporting Taiwan.
Countries aren't run on a scout merit system.
Is this true?
There was a WHO briefing the other day and they ran through several points indicating where they've collaborated with Taiwan. Will try and find it - annoyingly the news cut away from it before they'd fully gone through each of the points.
Well you would be right if this was only about Taiwan, but there are MANY concerns about the Chinese government, I think it is time now to put them in check or see other alternatives, twisting everybody's arm to get what they want is pretty fucking disgusting.
If you want to review the WHO, that's totally fine. An organization isn't blameless, especially as more details of this whole situation will come out.
But waiting until it's over as he says seems like the sensible thing to do rather than pull a major funding source to throw a hissy fit and deflect blame from yourself and your administrations' piss poor response in the middle of a global pandemic that's going to negatively impact saving lives, including the lives of your own people.
But waiting until it's over as he says seems like the sensible thing to do rather than pull a major funding source to throw a hissy fit and deflect blame from yourself and your administrations' piss poor response in the middle of a global pandemic that's going to negatively impact saving lives, including the lives of your own people.
And support another country that run coups even against their supposed "allies" (more like lap dogs now)
Remembering November 11, 1975: Pine Gap, the CIA and the coup to remove Whitlam
Gough Whitlam was a maverick social democrat who believed a foreign power should not be allowed to dictate Australia’s economic and foreign policies. There seems little doubt the US was involved in his sacking.
www.greenleft.org.au
The British-American coup that ended Australian independence | John Pilger
John Pilger: In 1975 prime minister Gough Whitlam, who has died this week, dared to try to assert his country’s autonomy. The CIA and MI6 made sure he paid the price
www.theguardian.com
the issue of the WHO, Taiwan, UN, and China is really annoying in that China has a lot of leverage, and up to now, its something most states preferred not to directly fight hard mostly due to economics, Taiwan itself being kinda "ehhh" on the issue. Truthfully, the WHO and the UN cant do shit unless countries bands against China to push the Taiwan issue and but...China will go hard to prevent that occurring....most of this is frankly, posturing but....
eh. China's economic power is huge, and most states will not want to get punished over a issue China sees as vitally important. so it requires a united front backed by the EU, USA, economic reprisals against China cause China will economically push back and threaten economic ties if Taiwan looks to be gaining.
eh. China's economic power is huge, and most states will not want to get punished over a issue China sees as vitally important. so it requires a united front backed by the EU, USA, economic reprisals against China cause China will economically push back and threaten economic ties if Taiwan looks to be gaining.
Still funding the WHO, with a review after the pandemic is over is a reasonable action, unlike 45.
I dunno what "." means. Truthfully, there is middle ground. The WHO assistant director running in fear for his life from a question regarding Taiwan by a reporter (not literally) is...tbh really disturbing. WHO-Taiwan meetings/communication are muddled with Taiwan accusing the WHO of deliberately avoiding Taiwan and again, having the WHO run from Taiwan related questions by reporters does not inspire confidence that the WHO is doing its utmost to cooperate with Taiwan and urges closer examination of China's influence on the org. If China's budget money isn't even that high, why are the WHO's personnel acting like Trump's cabinet with China? Does not match up.
I was banned for saying that the WHO is politically compromised. The truth is that they are, they are supposed to be a global organization, they should not be afraid of hurting the CCPs feelings. They should call out all countries regularly, including the US, when they fail to do what is needed to maintain global public health.
I mean the problem is, as Trump demonstrated, they pull the funding and the org is done.
That needs to be addressed as well, their funding should not be beholden to political whims.
Well the country that's arguing for that is literally the prime example of that.
That's the irony from the posters applauding Trump doing what he did.
Trump doesn't have good intentions, there's nothing to applaud there. But the WHO does need reform to allow it to be completely transparent without fear of political reprisals.
That's the problem. It's impossible.
America pulled this shit and they're supposedly a democracy with checks and balances. 2 of the big world powers are literal Authoritarians. Europe is still fragmented, with the UK weakening it out of sheer hubris.
It isn't impossible, but yeah it is incredibly difficult. The best solution is to require that its funding be protected by law so that individual countries cannot threaten to pull it. That's a herculean task for sure, but I don't think it's impossible.
How are you going to enforce it? Trying to avoid pissing off the big superpowers is why this thing is a mess in the first place.
That's honestly my problem with people going "THE WHO ARE POLITICALLY COMPROMISED!" Like, yeah, no shit, but do you even understand why?