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Jamie Lynn Spears blames Elon Musk and Tesla for killing her cats
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What is there to gloss over? She "admitted" to accidentally running over cats and being upset about it.
Did you read that as an intentional act?
I'm not saying you're anti-science for letting your cats outside. I'm saying dismissing scientific takes outright as "appeals to authority" is an anti-scientific stance to take. Saying that people aren't citing scientists because they are citing articles derived from scientific findings is also an anti-science handwave. When you try to explain yourself you just reiterate that. We can drop the discussion here because it's not going anywhere.
Quoting for a new page. Fuck your entitlement. Pet cats are a huge fucking part of the problem. Don't let them outside.
That's why I think people should always neuter/spay their cats if they are letting them outside.
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Ugh. My cat will start eating any plastic bag that someone leaves out. It's relentless.
My neighbor's dog loves to eat plastic. I know this because every now and then i see dog poo on my lawn that has plastic in it.
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Pretty hard to run over a cat if you keep it indoors. Just saying.
No, not intentional, but " I don't want to tell you how many cats " means she couldn't be bothered to figure out a way of not running them over. It doesn't read as an accident, as much as gross negligence to me. At what point should she not be allowed to own a cat anymore?
Besides the risk to the actual , they are ducking awful for the environment and wildlife. Cats shouldn't be allowed out to roam as they please.
Massively irresponsible. I personally think it should be illegal to have an outdoor cat myself due to environmental impact. I am biased though and come from an island and feral domestic cats fucked our ecosystem.
Maybe it's just different in the US?
Cats and Birds | Are Cats Causing Bird Declines? - The RSPB
Estimates of how many birds are killed by cats each year vary. The most frequently caught birds are probably house sparrows, blue tits, blackbirds and starlings
www.rspb.org.uk
Forcing cats that are used to go outside to stay inside suddenly is obviously a bad idea, you can only do that slowly over time or in some cases not at all. Similarly if I suddenly banned my cats from entering a room they normally have access to they would get on my nerves or freak out. Cats reacting badly to suddenly losing territory isnt equivalent with cats not being happy indoors.
Also I very much dislike the continued implication that a) keeping my cats safe b) keeping the environment safe from them and c) providing what they need as indoor cats to replace the usual outdoor experience is somehow treating them as toys. An outdoor cat with an owner is still a pet.
Maybe it's just different in the US?
.Cats and Birds | Are Cats Causing Bird Declines? - The RSPB
Estimates of how many birds are killed by cats each year vary. The most frequently caught birds are probably house sparrows, blue tits, blackbirds and starlings
https://web.archive.org/web/20160731062330/http://songbird-survival.org.uk/cats.html
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rspb-accused-of-going-soft-on-cats-to-appease-donors-nv976zf8qqq
Some of the divide seems to come from the fact that in Europe/The UK cats have been around so long that all the animals that can't deal with them are extinct.
But some of us come from places where the native wildlife is easy prey and are still in the process of being driven extinct by negligent cat owners. I would rather not see our native wildlife quite literally go the way of the dodo if it can be avoided.
Ordinarily predator population will fall if prey starts running out but the cat population just keep going up and increasing the pressure
Side-note: I could tell from the writing that this author is from Oceania. Partially because of the particular brand of frustration but mostly because the example she chose to use was a skink.
But some of us come from places where the native wildlife is easy prey and are still in the process of being driven extinct by negligent cat owners. I would rather not see our native wildlife quite literally go the way of the dodo if it can be avoided.
You think your bias is strong, I'm Australian and my dad worked in biosecurity his whole life :P
Something this points out that is very underrated is that the domestic cat population is completely independent of the availability of prey and thats incredibly dangerous
Ordinarily predator population will fall if prey starts running out but the cat population just keep going up and increasing the pressure
Side-note: I could tell from the writing that this author is from Oceania. Partially because of the particular brand of frustration but mostly because the example she chose to use was a skink.
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Maybe it's just different in the US?
.Cats and Birds | Are Cats Causing Bird Declines? - The RSPB
Estimates of how many birds are killed by cats each year vary. The most frequently caught birds are probably house sparrows, blue tits, blackbirds and starlings
Though what Zen posted is more important, even what you've linked goes on to say...
Letting cats outdoors wouldn't be such a problem if there were still predators around that could give them as good as they get. As it is, cats seem to be wreaking havoc on birds in this country (USA)
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Who are you to tell me whether my cats are living a happy life or not? Here where I am in Canada it's dangerous for cats to be allowed outdoors. They are perfectly happy living inside with me getting lots of play time and snuggles. They're not being killed by raccoons or cars.
I already left that apartment, so it's someone else's problem now. It was a gigantic hassle, but I couldn't exactly call the police about it
I just can't justify it for myself. Despite wanting a cat badly.
I think it's pretty unlikely a cat or a dog wouldn't hear a car, no matter how silent. They have extremely sharp ears.
Right an if I would put you in a Cell for the Rest of your live you also wouldn't get hit by car or probably love much longer ;)
Those cats were rised with access to outdoors before I got them from the shelter. I was not the one who wanted to take away their freedom.
This, only times we woulf let our cats out (we live in a rowhome in the city) is when we were out there to keep an eye and supervise. We also had and small outdoor deck between the two houses that they would go out on a bit more freely. Anything else is irresponsible.
Oh yeah? Interesting.
What kinds of "artificial" noises are the manufacturers using?
Cats don't have the same romanticism about freedom that humans do.
That is why we are in the state of things re: cats that we are now. Society has allowed cats to breed and hunt in the streets and otherwise with impunity and no regard for the consequences, of which we have been observing for some dozens of years. Even faced with the facts, people hold on to this vision of freedom for their cats like it's their right to go terrorize the local ecology, just because.
In many countries in the world they are part of the eco system. I admit I am ignorant about the US as I don't live there so I was shocked people actually do keep them in doors but in many countries cats live everywhere. A lot of them even come from the deserts or jungles.
Same with dogs.
It isn't just the US having problems with cat predation. This idea that cats will just naturally adapt and fit neatly into existing ecosystems is a comforting one, but not true. Cats are incredible hunters and most areas of human habitat keep larger predators away. Cats originated in the desert, but have long been domesticated and are bred for pets worldwide. With the aid of humans cats have become one of the most prolific predators in the animal kingdom. What might seem like natural habitat to them now was at one point a different ecosystem that was irreparably impacted by the introduction of cats. They are very much a part of human-induced climate change.
Sure but not every country is the same.
A lot of countries do have cats that are a part of the eco system. They were never pets to begin with. I know because I come from such country.
I always believed this to be the case but this thread surprised me and I understood that I was wrong about it as not every country is the same.
In many parts in Asia (especially the levant countries) , many parts of Africa, some parts of Europe.
All domestic cats originated in Egypt. I would wager most all ecosystems where cats are present that aren't a desert have suffered the effects of them as an invasive species.
Perhaps they did but today they have integrated themselves. Some countries are affected more than the others. Knowing how cats were new to the US I can understand they might cause a problem but in many parts of the worlds they are not an issue and them staying outside isn't dangerous.
Okay, but we also have multiple studies from many different parts of the world where this is clearly not the case. It is most definitely not US exceptionalism at work here.