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James Mattis Denounces President Trump, Describes Him as a Threat to the Constitution
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then he needs to speak truth to power.
put up or shut up.
no more of this behind closed doors shit.
Stop him how? How could have Mattis stopped him years ago?
No, i dont think the military has any constitutional method for them to remove him, and nothing illegal should happen. Mattis's words calling for civil society to unite against and ignore him i think mean vote him out in November, and until then, use every lawful method to stem his actions, like lawsuits, protests, and appealing to Congress.
I literally edit documents for a living and never catch his typos because of how fucking stupid he is.
I think this is one general Trump realized he can't shit on
Edit: I stand corrected. I forget trumps ego knows no bounds
Edit: I stand corrected. I forget trumps ego knows no bounds
I agree with people that are rightfully pissed at him for not being more outspoken while he worked for Trump but right now we need to get Trump out of office and this helps.
I really don't care for Mattis one way or another, but those insisting that he should have done more while employed might want to think through to the inevitable conclusion of that line of thought. You're basically asking for open mutiny against civilian leadership from the military at that point. That's not a genie that can be easily returned to its bottle.
The most resistance you're going to get out of active duty personnel is people dragging their feet or ignoring some of the most heinous orders. Which has happened, btw.
I agree with those who say that Milley's letter is a bigger deal. That is quite a pointed reminder to the rank and file that their duty is to the country [and, implicitly, not to the president]. When is the last time that anything like that happened?
The most resistance you're going to get out of active duty personnel is people dragging their feet or ignoring some of the most heinous orders. Which has happened, btw.
I agree with those who say that Milley's letter is a bigger deal. That is quite a pointed reminder to the rank and file that their duty is to the country [and, implicitly, not to the president]. When is the last time that anything like that happened?
Brutal. BRUTAL. And in some sense, the fact that he hasn't spoken before makes this more scattering.
I thought he resigned? Or is this just Trump saying he fired someone who resigned as usual.
Good! Was it late? Yes, but I hope everyone cheers him on so that maybe others are encouraged to speak up.
Every little bit helps
Every little bit helps
Let this stick in your brain, dear readers.
It is ALWAYS a FORMER REPUBLICAN that takes a stand.
ALWAYS. EVERY SINGLE TIME one of them stands up and admits it's all wrong, it's when they're no longer playing the game, no longer in the system, no longer to actually be held accountable for actually saying something.
George W Bush defending the protesters never, EVER would have happened if he were still a working man.
I hate seeing these empty ass statements every fucking time.
It is ALWAYS a FORMER REPUBLICAN that takes a stand.
ALWAYS. EVERY SINGLE TIME one of them stands up and admits it's all wrong, it's when they're no longer playing the game, no longer in the system, no longer to actually be held accountable for actually saying something.
George W Bush defending the protesters never, EVER would have happened if he were still a working man.
I hate seeing these empty ass statements every fucking time.
Trump's going to gamble that no one in the military nor the Senate is comfortable going that far.
He'll keep firing folks from military leadership until he gets his loyal dogs in place and then dare the military rank-and-file to obey him or defect and be blacklisted from the military for life.
6'3" and 244 lbs hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. who the fuck is proud to be 244 lbs at 73. You bring home alll that bacon.
In May 2004 Mattis ordered the 3 a.m. bombing of what he alleged was a suspected enemy safe house near the Syrian border, but was in fact a wedding party and resulted in the deaths of 42 civilians, including 11 women and 14 children.
Mattis said it had taken him 30 seconds to decide whether to bomb the location.
Describing the wedding as implausible, he said, "How many people go to the middle of the desert to hold a wedding 80 miles (130 km) from the nearest civilization? These were more than two dozen military-age males. Let's not be naive."[47] The occurrence of a wedding was disputed by military officials, but the Associated Press obtained video footage showing a wedding party and a video the next day showed musical instruments and party decoration among the remains.[48]
When asked by the press about footage on Arabic television of a child's body being lowered into a grave, he replied: "I have not seen the pictures but bad things happen in wars. I don't have to apologise for the conduct of my men.
Mattis said it had taken him 30 seconds to decide whether to bomb the location.
Describing the wedding as implausible, he said, "How many people go to the middle of the desert to hold a wedding 80 miles (130 km) from the nearest civilization? These were more than two dozen military-age males. Let's not be naive."[47] The occurrence of a wedding was disputed by military officials, but the Associated Press obtained video footage showing a wedding party and a video the next day showed musical instruments and party decoration among the remains.[48]
When asked by the press about footage on Arabic television of a child's body being lowered into a grave, he replied: "I have not seen the pictures but bad things happen in wars. I don't have to apologise for the conduct of my men.
You must have missed a couple statements from current generals.
Mattis essentially accused Trump of Sedition...
I wonder what Trump told him to do that lead to his resignation.
I wonder what Trump told him to do that lead to his resignation.
Trump changed Mattis' name to Mad Dog? Did Trump know Mattis dating to the Afghanistan days? Wtf.
Yep. These are unprecedented, extraordinary times. I've never seen this kind of pushback against a president in my life.
The Military leaders have devoted a portion of their lives to the study and understanding of the U. S. Constitution. Trump massively overstepped by offering the US military as a force to deny Constitutional freedoms.
Yeah, but he should wait for the opportune moment. Attention spans are short, and there's a lot of shit going on right now. This was something timely that could perhaps prevent violence in the short term, so speaking up about appropriate use of military force now makes sense. But telling the full story should probably wait until closer to the election to help get Trump out of office.
Trump Supporters:Dan Carlin is getting even tired enough to call out Trump supporters over this.
Of course not. Article from 2004: https://webcache.googleusercontent....eneral16-story.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Trump has made this lie before, so at this point he 100% believes it.
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Trump claims he coined the nickname ‘Mad Dog’ Mattis
Mattis — who preferred the call sign "Chaos" — has been fighting the "Mad Dog" moniker for at least 15 years.
www.militarytimes.com
I applaud Mattis for saying this. And, diverging from the sentiment from some folks in this thread, I actually have an abundance of respect for him as a rational thinker. He resigned from his position for reasons that I happen to agree with. If you didn't read his resignation letter, it's worth a read. He told Trump in the most professional way possible that he was a stupid fuck for leaving our allies, the Kurds, to be left for the slaughter.
Despite what your opinion is about Mattis, this is huge news. Mattis is a very influential military figure. His speaking out about this could potentially change a lot of minds.
Despite what your opinion is about Mattis, this is huge news. Mattis is a very influential military figure. His speaking out about this could potentially change a lot of minds.
Of course not. Article from 2004: https://webcache.googleusercontent....eneral16-story.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Trump has made this lie before, so at this point he 100% believes it.
Trump claims he coined the nickname ‘Mad Dog’ Mattis
Mattis — who preferred the call sign "Chaos" — has been fighting the "Mad Dog" moniker for at least 15 years.
Yeah I remember hearing them refer to Mattis as "Mad Dog" in Generation Kill, and that show came out in 2008 (book in 2004).
It means it's your duty to the constitution to disobey trump when the time comes.
Seeing examples of the spin on this already on social media. Apparently Mattis is just mad at his boss for being fired.
So.. General. "MAD DOG". Mattis...is a whiny crybaby thats just holding a 2 year grudge.
I wish they would say all this Trump spin out loud once in a while and realize how stupid it sounds.
So.. General. "MAD DOG". Mattis...is a whiny crybaby thats just holding a 2 year grudge.
I wish they would say all this Trump spin out loud once in a while and realize how stupid it sounds.
That's true.
Maybe he can keep making noise to inspire others to finally speak out, which will bait The Orange Stain to say something more outrageous & distasteful which may change even more minds.
The military fucking loves Mattis. Politically, this is a big deal and will have a measurable effect in November.
Reading some of these highly upvoted comments on the military subreddit are encouraging.
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Reading some of these highly upvoted comments on the military subreddit are encouraging.
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Count me as not that shocked that the Trump death cult seems to be taking Mattis' statement in stride, for the most part. I've been peeking at Fox News here and there since this broke. The criticism of his statement is a much bigger story there than the statement itself. Nothing will turn their heads from Dear Leader at this point.
That said, the statements by Lengyel and Milley posted here seem like a big fucking deal. Both reminding those in uniform of their oath to uphold the constitution. I'm getting chills thinking about what sorts of conversations these people are having right now that they are putting out statements like that.
That said, the statements by Lengyel and Milley posted here seem like a big fucking deal. Both reminding those in uniform of their oath to uphold the constitution. I'm getting chills thinking about what sorts of conversations these people are having right now that they are putting out statements like that.
Defy the president's temper tantrum to uphold the Constitution and your duty to American citizens.
The military fucking loves Mattis. Politically, this is a big deal and will have a measurable effect in November.
Reading some of these highly upvoted comments on the military subreddit are encouraging.
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anyone can upvote tho.
Trump is recommending the military go in and start shooting U.S. citizens. Seems almost 100% certain this is what they are reacting to.
Definitely seeing some of the mental gymnastics that Trumpers are having with this.
You cocksuckers helped the police wage total fucking war on peaceful protesters last night in Seattle after two water bottles were thrown.
Suck my fucking dick with this statement.
You have a very, very low opinion of our military forces (especially the officer corps) if you think they're going to side with Trump over a revered 40+ year vet.