Literally only a racist would think Blacklivesmatter means all white people are evil
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James Franco accused of sexual exploitation or abuse by five women
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Literally only a racist would think Blacklivesmatter means all white people are evil
I think you should re-read some of the interactions in this thread again, because from what I've read people understand that perfectly well. It's not so much that people are confused about whether people are talking about the court of law or the court of public opinion - certain posters in this thread are clearly talking about both. With regard to the court of public opinion, I think you will find that most people here agree with you. There is no such burden of proof in the court of public opinion, and people ought to be believed in the pursuit of truth.
I'm not sure you can blame people for responding when others have muddied the discussion by opining quite clearly on how they think the legal system should work. I fundamentally agree with everything you said, there are just some things - thrown out there by Ketkat and Krauser Kat for example - that were either bordering on objectionably broad, or warranted a little more back and forth. I'm not sure you can mount a higher horse than when angrily, emotively, and falsely, attributing negative belief systems to others and putting false words in their mouths. I strongly doubt that there is anybody here who would "think this is cool".
A choice or lack thereof isn't relevant. If the phrase "black lives matter" makes people think it's supposed to really mean "only black lives matter," and they're ignoring the context of why the movement was formed, they don't get to give "blue lives matter" a pass when there's just a one word difference, nor can they ignore why that phrase was only ever an attempt to back up police officers who wrongfully killed black people.
Right. That's what I was getting at. Maybe I wasn't clear enough.
But if none of that happened and it was just a vague twitter accusation? Would the results have happened as quickly? Would they have been the same?
I can understand why someone would have sat on the fence on this in the last thread. But now Franco has been accused by multiple women doing various sick shit. Pretty hard to stay on the fence now. And now all the people who rely on him from his company or whatever will need a reset. This shit affects more than just the accused... that's why people need to think twice before thinking it's okay to shove someone's face in your exposed crotch. What the fuck.
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When something is sexual assault it's sexual assault... affirming so is not an echo chamber it's establishing a bare minimum of decorum.... Don't like.... you have literally the rest of the internet to debate if sexaul assault is even sexual assault.
Comments like this don't help, painting people in wide brush strokes like this doesn't help.
How about unintelligent people? People with low iq points? People who cannot differentiate from a movement meant to raise up black people to equality and one meant to push another group down.
Not everyone who doesn't understand or question things are racist. Some people simply do not get it.
He looks like a fucking asshole and should be called out as such. I just have a problem with him being banned.
User Banned (1 month) Repeated misogynist posts and transphobic posts. Ban extended after review.
You just reconfirmed what he said...
Then why are you yelling at us about it? We're not mods. And some opinions will get you banned on this site, that's nothing new.
It's not like it's a perm. Dude can chill and decide if he wants to rethink why he was banned or come back shortly and double-down.
I am not saying they are not. I am just saying that just because someone doesn't understand the context of something, or is just dumb, doesn't mean they are racist.
Painting everyone who doesn't agree with something a racist, a sexist or misogynist isn't helping anything.
Are some of the people who thing that blacklives and means fuck white people racist? Oh definitely. Are all of them? no.
This forum is open to plenty of debate... we're not gonna debate if guiding a woman's head toward your penis after they already said no is sexually assault, just like we won't debate if say having sex with a sleeping woman is really rape.
That's not an echo chamber...
i think what they meant is, don't attribute to malice that which can be explained by ignorance
remember that hate is taught to children
Ignorance can still manifest as racism.
There is nothing inherent in the name Black Lives Matter that can be interpreted as White People are Evil...
But this isn't about that. so That;s my final word.
Not every opinion is worth hearing. Not tolerating those who will defend sex assault doesn't make this place any more of an 'echo chamber' than having zero tolerance for white supremacy. There are other forums for that, if Klean is interested.
If you have questions about moderation, please contact a moderator or administrator directly rather than making a post. We can't read every post. We don't ask this to try and silence criticism (you'll notice we don't remove the public complaints), but to try and stop threads getting derailed and to make sure that we hear any complaints or concerns rather than them getting missed.
Please get back to the topic at hand.
Rape apologism is bullshit and unacceptable and this is a private space where such things do not have to to be tolerated.... We do not need to debate everything.... and that does not make it an echo chamber.
We also don't tolerate homophobia, transhpobia or bigotry in general.... This is not the wild west... and it's not an Echo Chamber either.
Oh my god this is the perfect gif.that's it. I'm going to 4chan
You'd think a rich, young, attractive guy would be able to find consenting partners to satisfy his desires very easily.
But nope, gotta be as sketchy and underhanded as possible. Mind boggling.
But nope, gotta be as sketchy and underhanded as possible. Mind boggling.
I honestly think that people who actually make it in Hollywood and show business end up being fucked up people. All the shit these people probably have to do to make it this far probably takes a fucked up psychological toll on their minds.
That or the people were fucked up in the first place and sought out show business cause it suited their fucked up personality.
More to your actual post. People want what they cannot have. So when you are rich and attractive and can have anyone for the most part, I guess you go for the ones you aren't supposed to?
I had the exact same thought. But then again, this is usually about power, not finding a mate.
My belief that James Franco sexually assaulted women will not impact his life in anyway. Even if the vast majority of people came to believe it, it still wouldn't ruin his life. I know that you didn't mean to, but your argument unwittingly makes an equivalence between James Franco - a powerful movie star - and "a group of black men" - historically some of if not the most disenfranchised people in America. In my experience, most rape accusations of the privileged and powerful lead to people getting kicked off the swim team, having to transfer to a different college, or taking a gap year. Harvey Weinstein's life has not been ruined by the accusations. His wife left him and he can't work in movies anymore, but he's a free man who's still richer than I or anyone I know will ever be. This fear over the "ruined lives" of the falsely accused is not mirrored by an equal concern for the very real ruination that comes with victimhood. I know so many women who either took their own lives or tried to in the aftermath of an assault, the damage is so great it can barely be put into words. False accusations are real, and if I was sitting on a jury I would weigh evidence more strongly than in coming to my own opinion. As it stands, I feel comfortable thinking James Franco is a sex criminal who should be cast out of Hollywood.
I have read stuff about him in blinds for a pretty long time. Of course you read the blinds and make guesses on who it is but the ones about him were pretty clear. To see it come out and with so many women makes the blinds I have read over the years pretty terrifying. I'm not saying they are all accurate and I'm sure there is disinfo but man so many are being revealed to be true. That town is just festering with predators and enablers that used glitz and glam to hide their ways.
To a lot of these types of predators, it's not just about the sexual desires but the power or feeling of power by doing these things.
I would, but I saw Jagten (The Hunt). You can't rationally demand unbreakable attachment to that rule after having seen that movie.
And about the topic, I'm sorry and sad for the hurt Franco did as harasser; He seemed genuinely a nice guy in the few pics from him I've seen, but in that interview his body language speaks volumes, and there's multiple voices supporting the accusations. But the worst thing is the way He disguised his hypocritical behaviour as "supporter" of the "mee to". Damn.
It's a power thing.
Franco and thousands of other athletes, musicians, and celebrities could walk almost anywhere and find a beautiful person who would love to fuck them. There should be no shortage of potential partners for them, whether they are one night stands or not.
When famous people get to someone, especially professionally, who doesn't want to have a relationship, some celebrities can feel shocked and appalled. And then they react in a way that sparks the MeToo movement. It's not good. A lot of them are spoiled by all the booty they get, when one doesn't want to give it up, they take it. Or they make their life hell. It's about the power they hold over others when they don't get what they want.
But damn Franco... you set up a perv school so you can mess with women.
Its a hard time believing those women who are doing it just to jump on the bandwagon. (And sadly, there are men/women that actually do this. You would think that given the likelyhood that women are getting #metoo'd, you would think twice on abusing that for your own selfish gains, but i guess not.) Because that is (unfortunately) what is happening now aswell, men/women misusing metoo to categorize everything as ''sexual assault''. Next you have it that saying hi is ''indecent''.
Give or take, its not as easy as one thinks it is.
Note: I am not talking about the ladies in the Franco story here. This ''seems'' like a clear cut case here. I say ''seems'', because ofcourse only the court has to prove the accusations made here.
To be fair though, Franco always came across as being ''pseudo-alternative'' for no apparent reason (the Roast on him was great though, and justified, it seems) so him being in the dirt is somehow not as surprising as i thought it would be.
EDIT Ah: I see a red flag. alright, noted.
That is some disgusting stuff in the OP, wow.
I hope all this shit continues to get exposed. And that we can start actually dishing out some consequences to deter others from doing it in the future.
And yeah agreeing that sexual assault should be taken seriously and that women should be believed in the public eye is called having a conscience. That doesn't mean "guilty until proven innocent", as we're not looking at the legal basis and facts of the case. That's what the court of law is for.
Repeating that sentiment is not an "echo chamber". It's called doing the right thing.
I hope all this shit continues to get exposed. And that we can start actually dishing out some consequences to deter others from doing it in the future.
And yeah agreeing that sexual assault should be taken seriously and that women should be believed in the public eye is called having a conscience. That doesn't mean "guilty until proven innocent", as we're not looking at the legal basis and facts of the case. That's what the court of law is for.
Repeating that sentiment is not an "echo chamber". It's called doing the right thing.
Honestly, Franco should just own that he wanted to make a specific type of film while he was working on his school and that he's sorry if the women involved regret their involvement in them. He regrets being in films like Spider-Man 3 but that doesn't mean he's going to turn around and start lambasting the people behind the films he regrets involvement in now. Pretending he doesn't know what they could be pissed about only makes him look more guilty.
I think sometimes it is hard to talk about the nuances in some of these cases without being labeled and sometimes banned.
Just reading the story, I don't see nothing wrong being told that being open to nudity would lead to more parts. As a black male, I thought about how I would feel if I was told that I would get more parts if I was open to being a thug, drug addict, or drug dealer. I don't personally think that is racist but I could understand how some people would.
Are you from some sort of "Universe B" where the average person would love to be associated with someone runoured to sexually assault women?
Read the thread some. Its just about believing victims without going in with the assumption that they're lying, which people were doing with the James Franco story already.
When will the slippery slope of calling out sexual assault end?
Its exploitative to only give roles out to the people who are willing to get naked for you. And based on the allegations of what he did at those nude shoots, its kind of obvious he had other motives with that.
No, this is nonsense. Not all "opinions" are equal. Some are factually disgusting, such as his post.
It's 3 days. He'll live. If you're going to have a moderated forum that doesn't turn into Reddit or 4chan, you need to have standards.
Edit: Sorry, saw the message to not discuss that after I replied.
I am not sure. ''Sexual assault'' is a pretty definitive definition. Is saying hi enough to fall in that line? I dont think it is.
Franco's removing the plastic guardians between genitals is coming awfully close of that definition however. But for what it exactly is is only in the hands of a court. I can imagine it could also be seen as ''flashing'' or regular assault aswell.