Some fans.
Some parts of the industry.
You're not the silent majority.
Seems to work out fine for me. If you enjoy super speshul reveals, more power to you. I just ain't playing along.
Make a good game, then you get the props.
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J. Schreier: "Don't let billion dollar marketing convince you it's a spoiler" [See Threadmarks for further clarification]
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Some parts of the industry.
You're not the silent majority.
Make a good game, then you get the props.
Celebrating a game by reveling in its reveal is shallow and completely misses the point. It's the game that should be celebrated, not the announcement.
And? The entire issue is being created by people who can't see the legitimacy behind the feeling if others because they don't share them. Not really an admirable position.
Why? When did the concept of anticipation die out of human emotion?
It didn't. However the lasting thing about games is not the anticipation of an announcement. It is the game itself.
The entire issue is being created by people who got so invested in product marketing that they seem to care for it more than for the product itself. So much, in fact, that they complain about news outlets reporting news.
Which says nothing to invalidate being excited over an announcement or the act of making one. So what is your point against that?
This response seems comically off base without evidence that people aren't interested in playing what they're getting hype about. Who are these gaming voyeurs who watch but don't play?
It's fine to be excited over an announcement just be reading to shield yourself from news.
I mean people still look back at the mgs2 reveal fondly and rewatch the reveal. It's al tied together.
Sure, if your metric of "work" is "double down while devs laugh you out of the room". Because it's not working by any other metric. :)
Not as much sense as staying away from a forum known for leaks and not getting upset
Nobody even saw the MGS2 reveal live unless they were actually at E3
Well, I'm getting the leaks anyway, laugh all you want?
Of course a shitty disrespectful response like this would come from someone who backs leak culture.
I don't know why someone wouldn't be disappointed that their game wasn't revealed on their own terms. That's not to say that a news outlet shouldn't publish information that they've received, but it's also not crazy for people, whether they be fans or developers, to be unhappy that the leak happened in the first place.
Damn straight, son.
I'm all about that life.
Everybody wins.
Sure, be responsible about the media you consume prior to a major trade show. Goes without question. The issue I was addressing wasn't spoilers themselves but people suggesting controlled reveals enrich nothing for anyone, gamer or creator and that as such anyone decrying reveals was simply performing corporate evangelism.
Dont sign up to be part of a community known for leaking. I dont understand the entitlement.
Have a look how we generally feel about this and come back informed.
Game devs of Resetera, how do leaks impact your work?
Thought I might as well ask the devs out there. Lot of back and forth about leaks and how they impact game development and game devs. So devs of Resetera. How do/have leaks impacted your work?
www.resetera.com
but in a nutshell, no. We all work hard to show off our game in the best most optimal way and if that gets ruined by a leak its immensely demoralizing
Take Mario + Rabbids for example. it got leaked and the community tore it to shreds, leaving the devs crushed and wondering if their efforts where waisted, the project a fail.
What's it like when your video game leaks?
Mario Rabbids looks pretty good. We've played it a couple of times now and I think the humour lands well, especially wh…
www.eurogamer.net
We craft reveals to show off the concept of the game in the best way since its a first look and in this market the first impressions are everything. Its very easy to get a wrong impression, especially since game concepts have become pretty complex in order to stand out from everybody else.
How you think Ninja theory feels by seeing their trailer for Bleeding Edge shown in horrible off camera quality without sound and the community tearing it to shreds. There is a reason developers fear dealing with the community since they are vicious and can destroy years of hard work in a heartbeat just because the way the game has been introduced to them.
Uh, what? All I said is that regardless of how people feel about this, there's no reason people should be getting banned over this, and the fact that that isn't the case, that people are getting banned in a topic nobody on either side has any reason to get banned in, is definitely an indication that there's some kinda problem.
That you respond to that with nothing productive and just personally attack me instead... I'm not sure what to make of that exactly. Like, what do I even do with a response like this since there's nothing to respond to; just an ad hominem attack.
Possibly a differing opinion to yours?
It happens. Try not to be too shocked that everyone doesn't have the same opinion that you do.
I'm all for being sensitive to people's reasonable desires with regards to spoilers, such as tagging and giving a spoiler warning for spoilers.
That a game is being made is news. I reject that news should be treated like a spoiler. The fact that a product is being made shouldn't be hidden behind spoiler tags prior to official reveals.
That a game is being made is news. I reject that news should be treated like a spoiler. The fact that a product is being made shouldn't be hidden behind spoiler tags prior to official reveals.
You know what I mean, I don't remember shit from last year's E3 because I'd seen it at some point or another beforehand.
But I do remember trailers from past e3's like the original Breath of the Wild and Metal Gear Solid 4 and 5.
I'm not trying to defend leaks, dont get me wrong. Wouldn't it be logical for companies to better control the release of information by being more transparent about what they are developing? Instead of building up this mystery that might be leaked and context around the game is then ruined, a development studio can curate the discussion around their game without risking the backlash of an off screen, low quality clip through better transparency, right? It sucks you have to work around reactionary gamers and toxic nerd culture, but continuing to foster it seems a little counter productive to me.Have a look how we generally feel about this and come back informed.
Game devs of Resetera, how do leaks impact your work?
Thought I might as well ask the devs out there. Lot of back and forth about leaks and how they impact game development and game devs. So devs of Resetera. How do/have leaks impacted your work?
but in a nutshell, no. We all work hard to show off our game in the best most optimal way and if that gets ruined by a leak its immensely demoralizing
Take Mario + Rabbids for example. it got leaked and the community tore it to shreds, leaving the devs crushed and wondering if their efforts where waisted, the project a fail.
While in reality what they where making was legitimatly a great game but got undercut and put to risk by leaks.What's it like when your video game leaks?
Mario Rabbids looks pretty good. We've played it a couple of times now and I think the humour lands well, especially wh…
We craft reveals to show off the concept of the game in the best way since its a first look and in this market the first impressions are everything. Its very easy to get a wrong impression, especially since game concepts have become pretty complex in order to stand out from everybody else.
How you think Ninja theory feels by seeing their trailer for Bleeding Edge shown in horrible off camera quality without sound and the community tearing it to shreds. There is a reason developers fear dealing with the community since they are vicious and can destroy years of hard work in a heartbeat just because the way the game has been introduced to them.
Yeah, it's so confusing when you just tell the class to behave and they talk back to you. How could adults possibly take exception at being patronized in a tone dripping with nuclear-grade condescension?
Boggles the mind, really.
And you really don't have to continue piling on. Knock it off.
Making games is incredibly messy and chaotic, Its not a linear process like making a movie. Project shift in minor details to large parts like scope or genre throughout its development just to chase that early core concept that started this mad journey of making a game.
As developers this is simply the process of making a game because halfway within development there is a big risk that whatever you are making isnt fun to play and you have to reshuffle it to make it work
You really think this cut throat community would respect that transparency when they expect games to release within a year or two of its initial reveal? Games take longer to make and are more complex than ever. We tear games apart for "downgrading" or making minor changes from when its first revealed. So imagine amplifying that by being more transparent.
Again first impressions are everything and the earlier you show stuff and the more transparent you are the higher the chance that major things will shift from first reveal to final product and imagine the backlash if a certain character gets cut entirely or a whole story arch gets rewritten that has been shown off in the beginning.
This is simple, you don't view the event of E3 as entertainment as much as others. I go into those shows looking to be entertained/surprised. Knowing a game is going to be announced, spoils the game being officially announced often in a much worse way.
Ironically I don't care about spoilers for the games themselves nearly as much since I think games are more about the journey. An announcement trailer doesn't really have a journey in contrast.
Have a look how we generally feel about this and come back informed.
Game devs of Resetera, how do leaks impact your work?
Thought I might as well ask the devs out there. Lot of back and forth about leaks and how they impact game development and game devs. So devs of Resetera. How do/have leaks impacted your work?
but in a nutshell, no. We all work hard to show off our game in the best most optimal way and if that gets ruined by a leak its immensely demoralizing
Take Mario + Rabbids for example. it got leaked and the community tore it to shreds, leaving the devs crushed and wondering if their efforts where waisted, the project a fail.
While in reality what they where making was legitimatly a great game but got undercut and put to risk by leaks.What's it like when your video game leaks?
Mario Rabbids looks pretty good. We've played it a couple of times now and I think the humour lands well, especially wh…
We craft reveals to show off the concept of the game in the best way since its a first look and in this market the first impressions are everything. Its very easy to get a wrong impression, especially since game concepts have become pretty complex in order to stand out from everybody else.
How you think Ninja theory feels by seeing their trailer for Bleeding Edge shown in horrible off camera quality without sound and the community tearing it to shreds. There is a reason developers fear dealing with the community since they are vicious and can destroy years of hard work in a heartbeat just because the way the game has been introduced to them.
Don't waste your breath; as usually nobody really cares what actual devs have to say. It's all about validating one's own preconceptions, and if that means scores of people with zero collective experience in making games telling developers what they should do, think and feel about their jobs, by god it shall be so.
People didn't seem to mind when Nintendo came out and basically said "shit's fucked we're giving it to Retro" with regard to Prime 4. If the industry was more transparent people would soon adjust.
That honestly is the most depressing about this whole ordeal, reading the comments of people who would not give a second thought what leaking does to developers. Is it life threatening, no, but it messes with actual people spending years pouring their hearts and souls into making a product, just to have it thrown on the internet often without proper context with the effort of writing a goddamn tweet.
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In that case it was a wish fulfillment and in general I feel Nintendo fans are a little more relaxed when it comes to these things
But still that is one of the rare examples.
Resetera isn't "known" for leaking in any way. It's all been second hand information.
Second hand leaks and rumors, ironically enough often from alt-right or gamergate sources, this forum gives those people legitimacy by discussing those leaks.
Ah, now leaks are gamergate. Certainly a novel approach, I'll give you that.
Don't pretend like most leaks don't come from 4Chan or other alt-right gamergate sources.
Theres a difference, the E3 news is about to come out in a matter of days anyway.
Pretty much. I frankly can't decide what's worse:
- The people who blatantly don't give a single fuck about developers or how leaks may hurt them.
- The people who have it all figured out without having worked a single day in game development ("devs should be more transparent", "game should be announced earlier").
- The people telling devs what they should feel ("stop feeling things about people's reaction to your game" "worry about your game's quality, not how it's received").
Probably the latter is the most disturbing. I literally make games because I love showing them to people, watching them play and enjoy them. If you rob me of that, I'd rather be back to office jobs that at least pay more by an order of magnitude.
It's
edit: also "alt-right gamergate" is superfluous
Loads of games get delayed and apart from a few bells people seem fine to wait. It's the bullshots and false promises that rile people up. More transparency is good for everyone in the long term.
"Don't let billion dollar marketing convince you its a spoiler"
I don't really see the correlation.