Damnit, I always get those two confused for some reason. :/
It's sort of like blaming Nintendo for the popularity of platformers after Super Mario, or id Software for FPSs after Doom.
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J.R.R. Tolkien Gave The Most Polite Middle Finger To Frank Herbert's Dune
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Damnit, I always get those two confused for some reason. :/
It's sort of like blaming Nintendo for the popularity of platformers after Super Mario, or id Software for FPSs after Doom.
Well one of them wrote about universal religion and it's messiah, the other created one.
L Ron is a trip, love listening to podcasts talking about him, especially when you add Parsons to the mix.
Tolkien is water fat. He would never survive the desert.
LOTR is good vs evil.
"If you've got nothing nice to say, shut up".
It's fair enough not to like either. One is a superhuman saga, the other a political thriller.
And i'll stand with Martin over either of them, if he actually bothers finishing asoiaf at some point, g'dammit.
It's fair enough not to like either. One is a superhuman saga, the other a political thriller.
And i'll stand with Martin over either of them, if he actually bothers finishing asoiaf at some point, g'dammit.
God this applies so much to anything Robert Jordan wrote.
Me too. I remember being up well after usual and going right back to the books as soon as I woke up. I assume it was either a winter or summer break as I was probably around 12 at the time.
I'm not backing Martin on anything until he actually finishes. It's one thing to write an intriguing story, it's another to complete it well. Imagine if Lost just never finished and how people would have thought the writers were geniuses who had thought of everything and just never finished it.
i had to read the Hobbit for like christmas break or something. I read it in like a day and i loved it and my dad goes well you know theres more to that one and so we bought lord of the rings and i read them on a plane ride to visit my grandpa in california i remember just sitting in his house reading them.
How anyone can call them a slog i have no idea. but each book of the Storm Light Archive is bigger than the entirety of the Silmarillion. The beginning of the way of kings was tough, until about mid way through i guess?
As much as I love LOTR, I actually like Dune better, at least for the first few books. Neither is a slog, anyway...very swift and addictive adventure storytelling.
I don't care, ASOIAF could end with book 3 and still be good enough.
It's the journey, not the destination. If TWOW\ADOS never end happening, so be it.
God-damn the issues in Jordan's writing.
I'm still puzzled at who exactly likes Wheel of Time so much.
Dune is the best book I ever read and I will give copies of the first book to my kids and their kids. In my will there will be a clause where part of the inheritance will be used to buy copies of the first book to all my descendants.
It is the first time I read someone saying that the book is slow, WTF
but yeah, different tastes i guess.
I like LOTR but it was so "wordy", so many unistetering information, so many days until Frodo finally leaving the shire.
It is the first time I read someone saying that the book is slow, WTF
but yeah, different tastes i guess.
I like LOTR but it was so "wordy", so many unistetering information, so many days until Frodo finally leaving the shire.
This thread is foolishness. Dune and LOTR are two of the finest works of genre fiction and both authors are kings. Dorks have no business doing anything besides paying homage.
Dune is wonderful. I feel like Jodoworsky nailed why in the doc about his adaptation when he lays out the setup of how mystery of the story draws you in to the world and the vision of the technology/ecology. It totally melted my brain at 12
Dune Messiah really fleshes out the inital arc which kind of ends abrutly (given the scope) after the climax
Dune Messiah really fleshes out the inital arc which kind of ends abrutly (given the scope) after the climax
George RR Martin also had a bit of a lukewarm opinion on Dune and loves LOTR. I'm with Martin on that.
The first book is okay. The plot itself is good but the writing itself not so much.
The first book is okay. The plot itself is good but the writing itself not so much.
After Tolkien's death, 354 of his letters were collected and published in a single volume. The letters referred to here are among the many that weren't included for one reason or another.
LMAO
This thread is beautiful.
Seinfeld was super generic sitcom with generic Jewish characters and New Yorkers so etc....
thats what you sound like
sorry but that post is 10000x more full of itself self wankery and worse written, by far, than anything in Tolkien. It's vapid as fuck but says nothing about whether Tolkein is actually written well or enjoyable.
I dunno if I've ever seen anything so sniveling and mocking with absolutely no leg to stand on about *checks notes* a beloved well liked fantasy series. Someone who needs 6 semicolons and some flowery nothing low punch metaphors is telling me what good prose is????
Thank you.
A book being sort of long (try reading Pynchon or infinite jest lol) doesn't make it a slog.
Seeing how heated some folks are getting in this thread, fucking right
AAA reply.
I need to buy Dune btw.
I don't think that's a middle finger, buy just a fair option of him.
More seriously, though, there is plenty of easy reading (and good) sci-fi and fantasy that is way less of a slog than titles like Dune (and particularly its sequels). I'd expect their libraries to be full of that, which is fine.
Atleast Ja Rule is guaranteed to finish reading Dune including the appendices. Can we say the same for DMX?
The spoiler has the image.
I'll tell you other works that are a bit of a slog:
- The Odyssey
- The Bible
- Beowulf
- Hamlet
- Les Miserables (unabridged)
- The Count of Monte Cristo (unabridged)
- Moby Dick (unabridged)
- Oliver Twist
- Crime and Punishment
- War and Peace
Just because a work is original, important, impactful, brilliant or worth exploring doesn't stop it from being a slog. This is especially true of stuff that was originally meant to be enjoyed in a different form to what we have available today. Stories of the past were recited to music, read aloud in group settings over dozens of sittings, released episodically in newspaper columns or over the course of years or were written for a literary class for whom wordiness and quoting classics were valued over succinctness or originality. Sitting down and reading a novel by yourself over long periods is a relatively new phenomenon.
This.
LOST taught me that lessen that without finishing well you havent accomplished nearly as much as it originaly seemed.
Too many current works are just good ideas with zero follow through which is where the real work is. Its become an epidemic in media. :(