So it could be ignored?
Its great that this has its own thread and props to OP.
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J.K Rowling is killing Trans kids: Hogwarts Legacy.
- Thread starter HMS_Pinafore
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So it could be ignored?
Its great that this has its own thread and props to OP.
Is that really important right now? How the thread is tagged? Who cares.
Also the notion that it wasn't reversible seems to suggest... the kids never have puberty? Like, I've heard this as a legit complaint from transphobes, they don't seem to understand the child will still go through puberty. There's not a fucking set age for puberty. I went through it at 13, I know someone who went through it at 15, I know someone who went through it at 10. Delaying puberty isn't stopping it, it literally just lets the kids slow it down so that they can be sure they make the best choices possible for themselves.
I have to wonder when people would even start caring. Even if the game has a transgender villain like Rowling's new book, I'm still not sure that would set off alarm bells or regret in many people that bought it. I hope I'm very wrong.
This shit sucks man.
This game? Dream game. Something of it's sorts I have dreamt of for ages.
I want this game bad. Simple as.
But If I buy it, I will be supporting an absolutely vile, horrid woman whom I hate and who doesn't deserve a fucking cent from me.
I can buy used, but it would still feel like supporting.
This game? Dream game. Something of it's sorts I have dreamt of for ages.
I want this game bad. Simple as.
But If I buy it, I will be supporting an absolutely vile, horrid woman whom I hate and who doesn't deserve a fucking cent from me.
I can buy used, but it would still feel like supporting.
Maybe one idea could be to make a Harry Potter containment thread on gaming hangouts? If resetera doesn't want to ban discourse entirely on the game and other properties related to Harry Potter, it may be better if it is all in one place so it isn't promoted as much and will have all necessary disclaimers. It would also be easy for people who don't want to see anything Harry Potter related again to hide the thread.
Trans rights is an incredibly new topic to the social discourse. I don't remember it coming up at all in mainstream circles until about 5-6 years ago. The vast majority of people are either ignorant about trans topics or don't care. And I don't know if any social issue would be enough to offset Harry Potter being one of the biggest media franchises on the planet.
Ah no it's alright. I wrote trans women because JKRowling was targeting mostly trans women. And you are right, that her actions affect all trans people.
From the thread...
I wouldn't be surprised if that hurt her ego, and made her double down on hate-spewing.
It boggles my mind that someone can be that volatile. There's no other way to say it.
As someone who never got into the books are films it must suck for those that did. To have to look at how a franchise you grew up with differently all because the author has hateful views is really shitty.
It must suck for the devs as well because surely most of them are huge HP fans and they've been working on this for years before JK made her shitty opinions known.
Obviously JK will get money from this game's success, but do we know any direct involvement she has had on this game?
The game looks great, but at no fault to the dev team it's carrying the burden of being in the shadow of JK's hatefulness. Unfortunately JK has only continued to express her hate and I dont see her ever changing her tune.
Really shitty situation all around, maybe WB could donate a bit of each copy sold to Transgender support charities.
It must suck for the devs as well because surely most of them are huge HP fans and they've been working on this for years before JK made her shitty opinions known.
Obviously JK will get money from this game's success, but do we know any direct involvement she has had on this game?
The game looks great, but at no fault to the dev team it's carrying the burden of being in the shadow of JK's hatefulness. Unfortunately JK has only continued to express her hate and I dont see her ever changing her tune.
Really shitty situation all around, maybe WB could donate a bit of each copy sold to Transgender support charities.
Fuck J.K. Rowling. How hard is it to be decent to other people? I don't buy anything Harry Potter related and this game is no exception.
OP
OP
Ian from easy allies is currently streaming THPS to raise money for Transgender Law Center, he has raised over$1500 so far
https://www.twitch.tv/easyallies
Donation link
https://tiltify.com/@easyallies/transgender-law-center
https://www.twitch.tv/easyallies
Donation link
https://tiltify.com/@easyallies/transgender-law-center
I don't know the exact timeline of events, but if taking away the reward preceded the book featuring the tired trope of a trans serial killer, it would seem like a retribution for what she might conceive as unjust in her warped mind.
Really sad to see Rowling expressing these views and for quite some time. When I was younger, I got the feeling that Harry Potter story was aiming to be an inclusive story. I wonder if she always had these views or if they came about after Harry Potter.
I feel bad for the developers, but I can't and won't be supporting this. The only Rowling things I'm in the market for are apologies and reparations.
Has Warner Bros Interactive had any comments or been questioned about Rowlings transphobic and homophobic abuse? You need to put pressure on the money in matters like this, and I'm sure there will be plenty of interviews and press around the game now that it's been formally unveiled. I hope somebody with a spine brings it up eventually.
Yes, lets bury it in the bigger thread so people don't have to see it and can comfortably ignore it. You are very transparent.
Great thread OP. Rowling won't get another cent from me.
Really sucks to see a favourite for many tainted like this, and hugely frustrating that she can't just let people exist.
"We are aware through our work with families that there have been cases of self-harm and even attempted suicide following J.K.Rowling's statements and the public response on social media and in the press."
I wonder how she feels upon hearing her statements have had this effect. The normal human response here would be a deep feeling of disgust and guilt at realising how much harm your (extremely amplified) view is causing. But it's 2020, so the response will probably be grossly inhumane and self-preserving.
"We are aware through our work with families that there have been cases of self-harm and even attempted suicide following J.K.Rowling's statements and the public response on social media and in the press."
I wonder how she feels upon hearing her statements have had this effect. The normal human response here would be a deep feeling of disgust and guilt at realising how much harm your (extremely amplified) view is causing. But it's 2020, so the response will probably be grossly inhumane and self-preserving.
The only thing Warner Bros said about the situation was this:
Warner Bros. Issues Statement on J.K. Rowling Anti-Trans Controversy
A Warner Bros. spokesperson declined to discuss the company's working relationship with J.K. Rowling.
www.indiewire.com
Basically the classic "yeah we are against prejudice and all that but we will still continue to make money out of this". Don't expect Warner Interactive to act any different when questioned about Rowling's disgusting bigotry, the only thing they care about is their bottom line, and with how spineless most of gaming media is you're probably not going to get much besides "GAME LOOKS HYPE!"-kind of coverage. Shit is truly infuriating and demoralizing.
Thank you for this thread. This is important information many are completely unaware of.
And also, fuck TERFs and JK Rowling.
Trans rights are human rights.
And also, fuck TERFs and JK Rowling.
Trans rights are human rights.
Currently in spite of everything they will. It's cowardly and fucking disgusting to me honestly.
It's really sad that a property that connected with so many people and inspired so many is forever tied with a creator that chooses hatred over acceptance and compassion.
Rowling is a truly wretched person, and trans people deserve better than to have people willingly turn a blind eye to the harm her words and actions are causing for the sake of a game, movie, or book.
TERFs suck, and JK Rowling is awful.
Thank you for the links, OP.
Rowling is a truly wretched person, and trans people deserve better than to have people willingly turn a blind eye to the harm her words and actions are causing for the sake of a game, movie, or book.
TERFs suck, and JK Rowling is awful.
Thank you for the links, OP.
There is no piece of media too good that it's worth throwing away all your morals and supporting a disgusting piece of shit like J.K Rowling, but people get blinded by the cool shiny new thing and seemingly can't help themselves, it's frustrating.
We need to take a stance here, there shouldn't be an OT.
We need to take a stance here, there shouldn't be an OT.
- Causing self harm and suicide in trans children.
- Being cited by politicians in pushes for anti-trans legislation.
- Poisoning discourse around access to bathrooms.
- Giving platform to and boosting large anti-trans groups.
- Adding to a pressure that resulted in links to support systems for vulnerable trans children being removed by the BBC.
- Believes HRT is a new 'gay conversion therapy' and should be restricted further.
- Is becoming massively influential in a push to restrict options and healthcare access to young trans people.
Beyond spineless.
The whole "we should still support the devs!" argument is bullshit. If you want to support them just buy their other games. Its so cowardly hiding behind "but the devs!" Just admit to yourself that a stupid vidya gaem matters more to you than the lives of trans people, and move on.
This broke my heart. I can barely bring myself to completely read the OP. Fuck this game, I'm glad that my knowledge of Harry Potter's lore is barely existential but I've never bought and I will never buy anything related to this franchise. I'm sorry for the devs but fuck J.K. Rowling all the way to hell and back.
This is horribly depressing to read and I can't in good conscience enjoy anything HP anymore. Having lived in the UK for a bit I still don't understand why exactly it is TERF central/where the whole gender critical movement stems from but it is so hateful whilst trying to have the veneer of being good and correct. Fuck JK Rowling and fuck TERFs man
Yeah I'm really sick of this argument. I dont feel bad for not supporting the devs of the Call of Doody games i dont buy, so why is there a sudden argument of "those poor devs" for this game? Its just a thinly veiled "I'm buying the game anyway and I'm trying to justify it with something that gamers will understand"
Which fucking drives me bonkers because this is LITERALLY SOMETHING VOLDEMORT WOULD DO
Like how do you be that blindly hypocritical? How?
Have the Allies themselves spoken about the game yet? They've been disappointingly "both sides" about certain things before, to the extent that it made me stop listening regularly.
I'm looking forward to the Jim Sterling video on this as I'm 100% he'll rip it to pieces.
I feel sorry for the developers, who are no doubt making the best game they can in a fictional world a lot of them are very passionate about - we should also be mindful that development started on this years ago, back when Rowling kept her trap shut about trans issues and her TERF views were a rumour. I'm sure a lot of the people working on this game are very unhappy right now with how she's acted.
I think fans of this fictional world should, however, show some restraint and not buy this. Rowling is rich beyond imagination and no amount of boycotting can take the money she's already earned away from her, but it does raise awareness of trans issues, sends a powerful message to other transphobes that their views are unacceptable, and frankly is embarrassing for her personally. If boycotting the game can create some positives elsewhere in the form of raised awareness and directing money towards groups helping trans people, that's a good thing.
In a world where Rowling wasn't a TERF, I'd have considered buying this. The game looks great. But I think I will do some research and support some trans developers and/or give Mermaids some money instead.
I think fans of this fictional world should, however, show some restraint and not buy this. Rowling is rich beyond imagination and no amount of boycotting can take the money she's already earned away from her, but it does raise awareness of trans issues, sends a powerful message to other transphobes that their views are unacceptable, and frankly is embarrassing for her personally. If boycotting the game can create some positives elsewhere in the form of raised awareness and directing money towards groups helping trans people, that's a good thing.
In a world where Rowling wasn't a TERF, I'd have considered buying this. The game looks great. But I think I will do some research and support some trans developers and/or give Mermaids some money instead.
The mental gymnastics going through my head trying to say that it's far removed from her and has been developed without her input, but in the end she is actively PROFITING off of it.
I feel terrible for the devs and I wouldn't want to be in their shoes, but props to them because it looked amazing. Still I can't support it.
I feel terrible for the devs and I wouldn't want to be in their shoes, but props to them because it looked amazing. Still I can't support it.
Doesn't the book feature a cross dressing killer, not a transgender? Far as i can tell the villain from the reviews uses a wig and dress for a disguise and is actually a straight guy?
Which is exactly what J.K. Rowling and other people like her claim transgender people are.
I never liked HP so it's no tragedy to me to see it destroyed, but I feel sorry for my wife (and others) who grew up reading and enjoying the books/movies only to learn now that the creator has shown herself to be... like, defiantly (seriously, she keeps going out of her way to remind everyone her shit opinions) a terrible person.
Feel sorry for the devs as well who may have been working hard on this thing for ages for it to now become so toxic, maybe I'm naive to think any 'regular' person cares (i.e. it'll still sell billions because) but surprised Sony even promoted it. Guess as usual it's only "the all ighty oller" that matters.
Feel sorry for the devs as well who may have been working hard on this thing for ages for it to now become so toxic, maybe I'm naive to think any 'regular' person cares (i.e. it'll still sell billions because) but surprised Sony even promoted it. Guess as usual it's only "the all ighty oller" that matters.