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I've got to say it. Casual racism online is ridiculous.
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Yeah that is the point I was trying to make but you said it better. I'm all for banning the clan name if some people find it offensive but I was just saying that the people in that specific clan may not be using it with racist intent. The OP had no proof of it either way.
Good thing i'm not white then.
I live in non-native english speaker country, paki is frequently used as an abbreviation to adress pakistani people and pakistani don't fight you if you use the word to address them.
My first few minutes into playing WoW classic and the chat was full of people talking about black people having low intelligence. Then calling people who reported then snowflakes.
I've reported so many people in retail WoW for similar things and I doubt anything ever happens. Money matters more to devs than decency.
I've reported so many people in retail WoW for similar things and I doubt anything ever happens. Money matters more to devs than decency.
Sure jan.
You can keep going as much as you wish, if you are using your country as a standard and think that a non-native english speaker country knows about the racial meaning of the word "paki" go on, i don't have much to add.
Sure, I'm just gonna keep giving you the side eye, the same way I gave people the side eye that said "there are no black people in prague" during the kingdom Come race discussions, especially when the evidence you put down of why "paki" is okay is a link to americanisms on a wiki that is just as hollow as the example I previously gave.
Because I don't fucking believe you.
But you do you, and keep pretending that racism isn't a problem where you live.
You are saying this to a brown guy, son of immigrants living in a white country lmao
I did not say that racism is not a problem where i live, because it is, i'm just saying the reality of the country, the n-word is known by the people living here as a "slur", but the world paki it's not known as a slur, if you don't believe me i really don't know what do tell you again.
Bye
How's one supposed to have a reasonable discussion if this sort of over-exaggeration is acceptable?
It's awful in basically any competitive/multiplayer online game I've played. It's honestly kind of frightening how normalized it is.
Sure jan.
Oh ffs I just meant it's not so bad that I want to quit playing.
How can we have a reasonable discussion if the response to actual racial slurs is a huge shrug and "well we don't have that here".
Outside of the fact that I don't believe that for a second becuase literally everytime it's come up in conversation it's always horseshit, where does that discussion go? "Oh it's okay to say it because it's not a problem in Italy"? This being said the day after the breakdown of the hold of the Italian right's hold on their government? Come on man.
Whatever, yes, casual racism online is super rampant none of the powers that be are interested in curtailing it. Someone will make a TON of money developing some sort of 3rd party middleware that can just be plugged into the social elements of a game that can do real time moderation, but until we get there, this is how it is. And that sucks.
We had this same conversation a while back about "why doesn't anyone use open chat on xbox live anymore". It's because people are racist dipshits who know that the worst thing that will happen to them for going on a 2 hour racist tirade is having to sit out of a game for, maybe, 30 minutes.
It's cool, I was just giving you a little shit because that's a wild thing to say.
I know what you mean though. It takes a special session of real shit heads to get me to put up the sticks for the night.
But I do run into those shitheads, more often than not. Team based games are the worst that way. You get a better experience just going radio silent then ever tryign to use strategy or planning with randos because the moment something goes wrong, it's almost always a shitshow. That's just how it is.
I mean, only because the means of communication aren't there, sure.
I'm sure Splatoon would have super racist voice chat as well (if the mii plaza posts are anything to go by), were it easily accessible and didn't cost money.
I've been called a nigger and every other racist, homophobic, and misogynist name in the book since I started playing Warcraft 2 when I was 10 in the late 90s / early 2000s.
You should train your reading comprehension because i didn't say it's ok to say it, i said that in my country, people use it to adress people in a non-racial way because it's not known as a racial slur here.
People here use the n-word as a racial slur because they know the meaning, "paki" is not viewed as a racial slur, it's not a hard concept to understand, Italy is not a native english speaker language and the population is pretty dumb. "Jap" is a slur, in Italy people doesn't even know about the existence of the world "Jap" at all, the slur used to refer to Japanese people here is "almond eyes" (occhi a mandorla) for example.
"why do games these days don't focus on team play and player communication. It builds a better community etc". Yeah I wonder why
Nothing is being done to stem this, from online to the real world. It's disgusting and totally depressing.
it is absolutely ridiculous, has been since I first started playing multiplayer games, and imo will have far reaching effects and influence as time goes on. it provides a safe haven for ppl of particular minds. It reinforces the idea that you are acting out a pleasurable taboo in private. It can be incredibly influential on children who parrot and internalize things they hear. definitely sucks
I mean, it's not like I don't understand where you're coming from here but I find it hard to see that much malicious intent when they quickly got an answer and replied with this:
Later making clear that it's not really a term used in Italy which...might legit be the case? It's not really in Germany, either, and I made sure to google around some just now to make sure it isn't solely my own ignorance.
But your replies are aggressive and insinuating that the user just has to be a covert racist that would make such absurd claims as to there not being any racism in their country. That is frankly insulting and crappy behavior.
I don't doubt that a lot of this behavior still stems from people who hate that gaming is now more popular than it's ever been and still wish that the medium was their own personal haven that they can retreat to, even if the rest of the world ostracizes it. The racism element is very real and extremely prominent, but I think the fact that it is being used as a gatekeeper, the mentality of "you're not willing to call people the n word online at random, GET OUT", is huge part of it.
Because most of the time, it's not little kids doing it because you can go "teehee, I said a naughty word", it's full grown adults. People who should know better.
And that's the tough part about policing this kind of thing in any kind of anonymous, online interaction. There was a topic on OT about AI bots being biased and targeting black people more when trying to detect hate speech and as it turns out it's really hard for AI or anyone to know if it's a racist or a term re-claimed by minorities
Not saying game companies are doing enough but, some of the situations laid out in OP might just be impossible to crack unless we start living in a world where our identity is totally out there for everyone to see.
I joined the Xbox Ambassadors program so I could review offensive gamer tags. I was curious. A reported username is displayed and you have 10 seconds or so to decide whether it is offensive or not. I was disturbed by the level of racism, homophobia and misogyny that I encountered. After a while I stopped, it was just too depressing.
wow was never aware of the P4K1 tag thing. Has that been a thing? That's news to me. I just mute everyone at this point. Since it's only a matter of time before you get called the N word and god forbid they're able to confirm you're actually black where they'll be encouraged to do it more since they can say it in confidence talking tough behind a mic, but wouldn't dare say to my face. Online public game lobbies just isn't as fun and lightly friendly as it was back in the OG xbox days. It was how i made a good amount of friends online back in the day. Kinda sad really.
I used to get a lot of schedenfruade from going to the old Xbox 360 forums and reading the banned account requests. Half of them were, "my son stole my credit card and bought COD mods, I've punished him, please turn my account back on, Sincerely Mr. Smith" and the other half were, "what do you mean (insert obvious slur here) isn't allowed! I DIDN'T KNOW! HOW SHOULD I HAVE KNOWN!"
How indeed.
It was sad when they stopped making that public-facing.
I once got invited into a farm raid night with one of the world leading mythic raiding guilds in WoW (Horde side, Europe), because a friend has a son who raids with them. I had to be on their TeamSpeak, and the levels of casual racism and homophobia in their "friendly banter" was appalling. I imagine this is the norm, especially among the younger players (these guys were mostly 15+ years younger than me).
I hate to be that guy, but what does P41K mean? I can't keep up with the creativity that racism takes.
As for the online experience, I think young people end up getting into it because older players often forget that as they blab their racial diatribes over their microphone, they aren't just yelling with or at people their own age. People with no mic can hear you too, and it's more likely that they are young and impressionable than not.
People should always be mindful about what they are saying and who they are attacking, because an 11-year old might be listening or might be the person you're attacking (not that you should be attacking or talking crazy to anyone of any age).
As for the online experience, I think young people end up getting into it because older players often forget that as they blab their racial diatribes over their microphone, they aren't just yelling with or at people their own age. People with no mic can hear you too, and it's more likely that they are young and impressionable than not.
People should always be mindful about what they are saying and who they are attacking, because an 11-year old might be listening or might be the person you're attacking (not that you should be attacking or talking crazy to anyone of any age).
Yeh, not really being able to deal with this without resorting to manual reviews is why it probably is going to remain a big problem for the foreseeable future, as companies generally want to cut down the number of employees working such jobs. It's also a pretty depressive job in and of itself, of course.
I mean, the first reply was asking the same and got quick responses. So, you can just look that up.
On another note, you spelling it P41K instead of P4K1 just goes to show another example that racists might go with if P4K1 were to be banned/filtered.
I only throw the n-word around when I gets real heated. Looks like you're overreacting and got some learning to do.
This is one of the reasons why I won't sub to WoW classic until the initial phase is over. I don't want to deal with the stream kids. Unfortunately I know I'm outnumbered 100:1 in the WoW community, so there's very little incentive for people like Blizzard (and other companies) to deal with it.
So much racism in several the guilds I used to be in, it was appalling. Just tossing the N-word around causally and I'm like "would you fucking stop saying that!". One of the main reasons I stopped playing WoW.
Came across some ass in Destiny 2 a few weeks back with the tag "N****whoppr". Saw the name in the fire strike I was in, dropped out and reported it.
Getting really tired of the immaturity of online players.
Came across some ass in Destiny 2 a few weeks back with the tag "N****whoppr". Saw the name in the fire strike I was in, dropped out and reported it.
Getting really tired of the immaturity of online players.
I haven't really encountered much in modern games. Not many people communicate anymore if at all even in the games where you are "supposed" to. Rarely do I hear people on mic anymore.
I went in a team on Apex with a person who didn't speak english and an asshole of the highest degree. It didn't go well. The non-english speaker died pretty quick, and then the asshole started yelling horrible stuff at him over the mic. I said "You know what, you're on your own asshole" and disconnected. I probably could have said more but was pretty shocked to hear such blatantly offensive stuff thrown at a teammate.
Another couple of games later I ran into a team of 2 assholes (who must know each other) who took it upon themselves to run far in front of me, die, and then yell at me for about 5 mins solid while I took their green tag thing to the respawn thing. They died again after respawning and blamed me for everything.
I don't play Apex anymore :\
Another couple of games later I ran into a team of 2 assholes (who must know each other) who took it upon themselves to run far in front of me, die, and then yell at me for about 5 mins solid while I took their green tag thing to the respawn thing. They died again after respawning and blamed me for everything.
I don't play Apex anymore :\
Every game is full of this crap. I cant do PUBG with randoms anymore. The constant amount of racist shit I hear is crazy.
What's worse is this has existed since back when I started playing CS/UT on PC and Halo 2 on Xbox Live.
What's worse is this has existed since back when I started playing CS/UT on PC and Halo 2 on Xbox Live.
It's absolutely bananas to me that people don't know the word paki.
It's even more bananas that it's still thrown around so much in the UK.
It's even more bananas that it's still thrown around so much in the UK.
To be fair, there are a few guilds where there's zero tolerance for this shit. I could set you up with one if you ever felt like coming back to WoW.
But yes, most guilds and the general chat are toxic af.
I was playing Apex Legends the other day, and one of the guys (clearly drunk) started going on about all Arabs supposedly wanting to blow up America.
The third guy I was playing with, who'd been largely silent up to that point, came on the mic and began to berate the other guy for his racist comment, because as it turns out, he was from Saudi Arabia. He mentioned how offensive the comment was to him, and how ignorant the guy was.
Then the second guy, clearly somewhat embarrassed and in backtracking overdrive mode, claimed he was only joking, that the world was too sensitive and easily offended these days, that there just needed to be more love between all.
The third guy I was playing with, who'd been largely silent up to that point, came on the mic and began to berate the other guy for his racist comment, because as it turns out, he was from Saudi Arabia. He mentioned how offensive the comment was to him, and how ignorant the guy was.
Then the second guy, clearly somewhat embarrassed and in backtracking overdrive mode, claimed he was only joking, that the world was too sensitive and easily offended these days, that there just needed to be more love between all.
