Not exactly true, we see current gen games being held back by their exclusivity just like every generation.
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It's true. PC games were restricted by last gen consoles. (Unrestricted loading)
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Many PC games are loading fast and there's nothing especially unique in the videos in the OP. Some games may have been limited by bottlenecks which will be removed on the new consoles to make better use of their SSDs but I wouldn't say that it's the norm on PC and thus that consoles have somehow held PC back. Publishers just don't care enough about PC versions optimizations and this won't change with the new console generation.
This was one of the first things I noticed in Watch Dogs. I have had my M.2 for a while now and I have gotten a good boost in load speed but it actually seems like Legion uses the speed I have available to me.
Except last gen where PCs were already more powerful. Thanks Jaguar.
Its still largely true though.
Not even? Well I suppose the PS4 was a cut down/downclocked variant, but power wise, not even close. The 7870 was a 2.56 teraflop GPU, vs the 1.8TF PS4.
I certainly wouldn't call the 7870 mediocre by 2013 standards though.
It does, because games are less likely to be developed in a way that RT is core and fundamental to the game. Watch Dogs doesn't disprove my point, in fact it arguably backs it up - it's just increased quality on largely the same features.
Dice literally patched a forced delay in to BFBC2 to stop people with SSDs having an advantage on PC.
The onus is always on the developer.
The onus is always on the developer.
Have been noticing my loads are so much faster lately from my NVME. When I play COD with PS4 players, sometimes it takes forever to load in with them while I am done.
But that doesn't mean the previous gen was holding PCs back, it means the next gen is paving the way forward. It's not like (to my knowledge) PC-exclusive games were optimized for SSDs to have blazing fast load times, because there were still plenty of PCs without SSDs. But now that there are markets with that baseline, it's worth targeting, and PCs with SSDs get to enjoy the benefits of that work, too.
Surely PC developers know how many PC gamers have SSDs and how many don't. Anyone know how prevalent SSDs have been over the last few years?
They were held back in the context that it wasn't worth putting r&d into maximizing the throughout of an ssd when your primary markets all use a 5400rpm mechanical drive.
Not in the sense that they were explicitly developing game's to load slowly.
everything you choose to do or not do when developing a game is a choice, not spending resources on multi threaded loading that could utilize ssd and fast cpu would've resulted in more time to improve other aspects of those games.
now it's worth it because the benefits will be felt by a much larger portion of the playerbase, but again you get this at the cost of something else they could've worked on. Every feature is a trade.
Be thankful that both next gen consoles have hardware solutions to io bottlenecks because it might mean significantly faster adoption of rtx io and directstorage in the pc space, even if the average gaming pc can't use them very well.
Not in the sense that they were explicitly developing game's to load slowly.
everything you choose to do or not do when developing a game is a choice, not spending resources on multi threaded loading that could utilize ssd and fast cpu would've resulted in more time to improve other aspects of those games.
now it's worth it because the benefits will be felt by a much larger portion of the playerbase, but again you get this at the cost of something else they could've worked on. Every feature is a trade.
Be thankful that both next gen consoles have hardware solutions to io bottlenecks because it might mean significantly faster adoption of rtx io and directstorage in the pc space, even if the average gaming pc can't use them very well.
PC gamers (that are target group for AAA) will update if game they want to play doesn't work.
Average gaming PC is low specs because of esports games being made to work on absolute min spec.
Indeed. It's been known since forever. I don't think there's some kind of limitation when it comes to loading times.
Here's just one example, MH World loads in 6 seconds on PC, while it's one minute on PS4. Even on HDD, it takes 12 seconds on PC. It's more than just SSD, but also CPU speed.
The 'minimun' has fallen a few times flat recently. And the end result is obvious. Care to change that?
Average gaming PCs don't hold back PCs which are used for AAA gaming since they are mostly running PC exclusive MP/esport titles. Different audiences.
With the exception of Godfall these seem like pretty standard load times to me. My PC loads games about this fast and it only has a SATA SSD (0.5 GB/s).
Remember the FUD some weeks ago that "PC will held back the consoles because they have HDDs"?
Good times...
I got back to PC gaming in2013 2014 and even then NVMe were already available and everyone was building with at least some SSD (though 128 GB were more common than 256 GB probably). If you're still running an HDD in 2023 you might as well buy a console.
Good times...
I got back to PC gaming in
KLepe in mind that "low specs" is very relative.
Looking at the Steam hardware survey, the avberage PC is on par or better than a pro console.
In other words, there are more PC gamers playing on specs matching or beating a pro console than there are pro consoles out there.
I think it's pretty impressive though. We're seeing load times within a few seconds of these next gen consoles, and that's BEFORE shit like direct storage and RTX I/O is even available to developers.
Does anyone know if AMD has an answer to RTX I/O btw?