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It's Trans Awareness Week! (Nov 13th -19th)
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This is just flat out false
Studies have been done to show after a year of transition testosterone and blood oxygen levels are at or below levels of those of similar age https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...169676-5b50-11e6-9aee-8075993d73a2_story.html
Here's an Era post with links to various studies on this https://www.resetera.com/threads/espn-complaint-targets-transgender-hs-track-athletes.124594/
Oh and guess what, CIS people have varying levels of blood oxygen and two men of equal ages and equal training facilities will not always be equal. There's a natural athletic ability that many people have or don't, this is just known in general with athletics. Should we also get into physical traits such as weight, height, etc? It's just so ludicrous to assume every male has an advantage because let me tell ya, I know plenty of women who can kick my ass in athletic activities even though I'm a man.
Further, y'all write this as if other cis people don't seek out easier methods to winning. PLENTY of people will move to areas with teams where they can be a stand out. I've seen people competing at national levels fly all over the country to races to get easier points for ranking up.
To try and paint this as only a trans issue is just dog whistling bullshit.
*sigh* can people go just for one day without saying anything bad about trans?this is the world that we live in today smh
You advocate for change and betterment, and yet you permanently banned Ketkat without even talking to her.
Practice what you preach. Era is *nothing* without its users.
Honestly, the transparency that has been touted for so long here is really not present. I honestly don't even know who truly owns the board or how money is spent. At least with Evilore, we knew specifics to a degree.
This clash between the lgbtqa crowd and Era mods/admins has been brewing for a while, there have been some topics that have dealt with mod abuse and transparency, but nothing to this extent. I'm glad it's picking up steam. It's important that communities that have been silenced on Era have a voice.
Only just catching up with all of this. Absolutely shocking actions and reactions by the staff, I had thought this place was supposed to be better. Admittedly I have been posting a lot less recently.
My full support to the LGBTQ+ members here, we love you even if it's not always apparent
My full support to the LGBTQ+ members here, we love you even if it's not always apparent
What's going on here? 😐
As a cis whit male I am well aware of my privilege. Know that you all have my admiration and when the opportunity arises I will stand with you whatever gender you do or do not self identify with and whomever you do or do not get off with under the sheets! Love you!
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When we meet in person I have free hugs for everyone that wants!
As a cis whit male I am well aware of my privilege. Know that you all have my admiration and when the opportunity arises I will stand with you whatever gender you do or do not self identify with and whomever you do or do not get off with under the sheets! Love you!
✊🏻❤🧡💛💚💙💜🖤🤍🤎✊🏻
When we meet in person I have free hugs for everyone that wants!
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I don't think that's going to happen given certain mods that are in place. This really needs to be addressed by an admin because it's clear for years the mods here aren't willing to take responsibility for their actions.
I know that you're banned but why the fuck would you post this crap in this thread of all places.
This sort of shit is what happens in every trans related thread on this forum and whilst action was taken rather quickly here it doesn't in other cases. It's so fucking exhausting .
Also, this.
That would make sense, given that I've been told that Ceri, for some inexplicable reason, hates KetKat.
Found this thread thank to SmashERA and finally caught up to everything.......and I just wanna say I am so sorry this is even happening. I know the Mods are not perfect (hell I remember I time when I thought there were too trigger happy with bans and I was scared to even post at certain moments) but we all expected better from them for situations like these.
This feels like it could be fixed with no real difficulty to be honest, starting with what the team promised. Transparency.
I dont want this place to go down in flames, this is basically my home on the internet, but this place also needs to be moderated with better quality.
What a bad time for this mess to start...here is hoping for a good end to all of this and for everthing that needs to be done to get done ASAP.
As a Male Bisexual, you guys have my support. And I apologize for not participating in the LGBT+ communities here, im just somewhat introverted about that subject I guess.
This feels like it could be fixed with no real difficulty to be honest, starting with what the team promised. Transparency.
I dont want this place to go down in flames, this is basically my home on the internet, but this place also needs to be moderated with better quality.
What a bad time for this mess to start...here is hoping for a good end to all of this and for everthing that needs to be done to get done ASAP.
As a Male Bisexual, you guys have my support. And I apologize for not participating in the LGBT+ communities here, im just somewhat introverted about that subject I guess.
I really am in wonderment that some people here were ever elevated to mod status to begin with
Y'all are great!
Yes please. It takes all of a few seconds to see how frustrated the community is even from an outsiders perspective.
This continued dejectment of the community can't happen and no one is going to let it happen. This forum isn't worth it at all if this community cannot feel safe.
Yes please. It takes all of a few seconds to see how frustrated the community is even from an outsiders perspective.
This continued dejectment of the community can't happen and no one is going to let it happen. This forum isn't worth it at all if this community cannot feel safe.
I was literally just thinking that. Bunch of chuckleheads showing up having 10% of an understanding of what's going on and saying we're all exaggerating. Very cool.
I think this is an incredibly important point here. The post Ketkat was banned for had been an incredibly well written post in response to a staff member brushing away concerns about modding, with the whistle blowing element being an incredibly important aspect of it. If staff wanted to criticise her in good faith they could have went over the logs/accusations in private whilst giving them a warning about the nature of "leaking" such info (despite the fact Ketkat did everything she could to keep everybody involved anonymous.
Instead she was immediately banned, outright slandered (claims of hacking and then abusing her relationship), and the reason given for the ban along with the follow up posts all pointed to the issue being that she whistleblowed about a safe space for staff to be bigoted. I'm not sure that's 100% accurate but with no evidence of the logs and what was said rather than focusing on her misinterpreting/misreading/lying about what happened that's what it came across as.
Then we're told that we should give the staff member who slandered her, suspiciously closed the topic after Nicole made a post that was really worth discussing, and was then revealed to hold problematic opinions in the past. Whilst Ketkat who's well known for being one of the most ardent defenders of the all of the LGBTQ+ community on these forums doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt for an action that doesn't seem too bad or harmful even with the most unfair reading.
Is there any way people are going to be happy here unless Ketkat's unbanned and is there any chance that would happen?
Is there any chance any transparency's going to be given to the modding process here after Brock's and Yukiko's bannings?
Same here, I grew up in a small midwest town with a 95% white population and can count on one hand the amount of LGBTQ+ people I know. Things like racial, religious, sexual & gender issues were always out of sight, out of mind and easy to brush off as not a big deal.
I'm still pretty ignorant when it comes to these topics but I try to stay open-minded and learn more about them, various threads on this site have helped open my eyes to the struggles that non-white hetero males face and I hope for a day where such discrimination no longer exists.
Can someone explain this to me please? On my end this can definetly be seen as gatekeeping, but saying Asexual people didn't face the same struggles as gay people is...true? You don't get jailed or murdered in large parts of the world because you're Asexual. Or am I not aware of those things happening?oh man my bad. I thought this guy was on staff here
Like, gatekepping, maybe. Phobic? I don't see it. Opression Olympics suck, but it's still not "phobic" to me.
Probably you should hone in on the idea of asexuals "watering down" a community and such rhetoric being insanely acerbic. It's explicitly a post about excluding an identity from the broader LGBTQ+ movement (while also simultaneously saying "oh I don't want to do that") and that's pretty undeniable.
In somewhat topical fashion, an individual is focusing a discussion about an aspect of queerness on themselves in an imposing fashion, and in a way that doesn't appear sympathetic to a disenfranchised group.
Participating in the "oppression olympics" is not a noble or brave thing.
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Can you do some amount of research on the topic at the same time?
The letters of LGBTQIA shouldn't need to battle in some leaderboard of oppression.
There's a reason topics about trans issues consistently go to shit here, and it sure isn't because of the trans people
Again, as i said, it can be absolutely seen as gatekeeping, or "battle in some leaderboard of oppression" as you put it. But that doesn't mean the person who posted that is phobic towards Ace folks, which is my entire point.
I know two asexual people in real life and talked about them on these things quite a bit. Yes, pretty much every society is barely familiar with the concept which leads to animositiy, it doesn't get brought up much in Sex Education either. Ace folks can absolutely feel marginalized through that.
Nah, when you talk about your own struggle being "watered down," that shit is just acephobia. What else is it going to be? Your struggle is lessened by being associated with the struggle of another? Think about what that's implying.
Kev! 💕
And yeah. Completely this. I mean the letters are supposed to support each other but not everyone seems to get that.
Am I just blantantly misremembering, or didn't a couple of mods speak and act like Ketkat was being talked to after the ban? I distinctly remember someone claiming "Ketkat can't give tell us any other way she got that information", or something along those lines.
It feels like we're just being lied to over and over again. :T
It feels like we're just being lied to over and over again. :T
I recently got a month long ban for a transphobic post and would like to apologize to the trans community and anybody else I offended, I really should have thought twice before posting. I am truly sorry for what I said and for the pain I caused.
I didn't consider myself transphobic but obviously I still have a lot of things to learn and have to reflect my thoughts and behavior, I don't want to go into detail because repeating what I said could understandibly upset people again and I don't want that but I hope you believe me that what I said wasn't out of malice, it was out of ignorance. Of course my intention doesn't affect how much a comment hurts but maybe it will make it a bit easier to forgive me. If it doesn't that's okay, I don't expect anyone I offended to give me the time of the day or to hold my hand because I feel bad about it but if you can forgive me I want to be an ally.
I cannot promise that I won't stumble again, I wish I could but after what happened I'm doubting myself. What I can promise is that I'll educate myself, listen to you and that'll try to be better every day.
I didn't consider myself transphobic but obviously I still have a lot of things to learn and have to reflect my thoughts and behavior, I don't want to go into detail because repeating what I said could understandibly upset people again and I don't want that but I hope you believe me that what I said wasn't out of malice, it was out of ignorance. Of course my intention doesn't affect how much a comment hurts but maybe it will make it a bit easier to forgive me. If it doesn't that's okay, I don't expect anyone I offended to give me the time of the day or to hold my hand because I feel bad about it but if you can forgive me I want to be an ally.
I cannot promise that I won't stumble again, I wish I could but after what happened I'm doubting myself. What I can promise is that I'll educate myself, listen to you and that'll try to be better every day.
this was a more recent example
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I disagree though. Feeling a need to make the distinction at all highlights not viewing them as an equal part of the community. It is suggesting that there should be some weighting to the LGBTQIA and that in and of itself is dismissive and exclusionary toward aces.
Please don't downplay it like that. Corrective rape is a severe issue for asexual people and they can't even drive in Russia. This isn't just general ignorance and people being blunt off the back of it.
This. I am socially awkward, I live in a country that isn't where I was born in so I'm an immigrant, and I've had my share of shit throughout my life. I absolutely respect and support people who are encountering issues due to any kind of diversity, even though due to my formation, where I live, etc. I don't really understand it all. The pronouns, the various categories, I just don't get all that because it's not something that really happens around me and in turn it's not something I discuss much as I am admittedly ignorant on the matter. Nobody should be discriminated based on the skil colour, sexuality, gender, name, body shape, and so on, especially because these aren't things you really choose yourself - it's how you are, nothing to do about it but try and hide it (bad) or embrace it (good). I am a straight white male so I'll never really understand some of this struggle, all I can do is respect it.
The fact such an open-minded forum as this has such obvious issues not being dicks to certain people and mods are unaware of how to solve it (or unwilling to do so) is disheartening, because it's easy to fall on the "wrong side" easily. If we sleep on even the 0.0001% of the forum being discriminated, that just leaves room for a time that a different group could get the same treatment, with similar amount of indifference. Closing your eyes on injustices because they don't touch you can bite you in the ass at a later time when you're the one in need, which can absolutely happen.
In a way it's good some major scandal happened, although it's sad how it went down. The moderating on this website was very positive at first, then it slowly descended into a series of blanket bans: say a certain keyword and there's a ban. Ask a genuine question that is misinterpreted as trolling, get a ban. Quote something "wrong" for discussion's sake without agreeing with what is being said, there's your ban as it was your view. All while the drive-by comments, the obvious trolling and such are less and less punished. 2 years ago, if your reply to a lengthy OP was "ok" you'd get a warning at least, nowadays it's perfectly fine doing a drive-by like that. It used to be warnable/bannable offense for attacking a user for having a different opinion, now it really isn't like that anymore from what I see, as OPs can be mocked openly just because they have an uncommon opinion.
A person was permabanned in a matter of minutes. It is impossible that research was done about it, because it happened so fast. Before anybody could legimitately read through the post and gain information on the accusation in it, the accuser got permabanned, with the explanations about it changing every hour and mods/admins contradicting each other on how it went down. No matter how I look at it, that's the peak of the iceberg that is currently sinking the moderating on this website. I agree that Era is still one of the better moderated sites I've been too, but that doesn't make it immune to criticism, it just makes it more surprising and disappointing when such obvious phallacies fall through the system. I learned not to expect any good from Facebook, Twitter or Reddit moderation, but Era was supposed to be different.
Mods and admins have a chance to correct the course. In this specific scenario, they need to back off or step up: either admit it was all bullshit and reinstate the prior status, getting rid of the people who tried silencing the criticism, or provide facts of the supposed hack, the abuse, the repeated violations of privacy. Because there's people here who put a lot of time, dedication, passion in this community, either by just posting often, by providing insights, by handling communities, by helping others, by providing quality themes to discuss. As someone who has a high post count, I'd fucking despise getting nuked permanently from the site because I allude to some bad shit that happened here, without any chance of getting my voice heard (last two times I contacted support I was ignored or got an answer WEEKS later after my issue was solved, so that's obviously not an option).
I'm not trans, I'm not even in the LGBT-community (and I gladly admit I don't know enough about it to properly discuss it, hence I usually avoid such threads) but they have my support for what it's worth. But what happened here is extremely unfair and unprofessional, and it casts a shadow on the entire moderating team until a proper resolution to the story doesn't arrive - because after the initial stuff last Friday and the events of the last 10 hours, it seems like nobody wants to come out and truly address this. The more you guys wait, the more it'll feel like you have a lot to hide and are just trying to tidy it up for a neat and believeable excuse story. Hopefully you'll prove me wrong.
I read that as the info they said KetKat had brought up that came over months that she mentioned in emails/correspondence to them that had private info the mods thought cane from the private discord but weren't completely sure so asked at the time where she got it? I didn't read it as them contacting her after the ban? At least that's what I thought, could be wrong.
But they said they have no issues with it being included, they talked about them not having it likened to their own struggles as a gay person. Which is pretty much gatekeeping Ace folks issues, but it's not phobic towards them.
I absolutely agree with the bolded, and I thought I made that clear from the outset multiple times. Not sure why you felt the need to point that out.
I'm not gay so I can't speak for them. But in their mind, those struggles are not the same (and historically they just aren't), so likening them together may indeed water down the talk about their own struggles. Again, it can absolutely be seen as gatekeeping and I get why people wouldn't be ok with that.
Yeah, the community discourse around these issues has been shit for a long while too, regardless of anything that staff does or doesn't do. I know it isn't possible to completely root out unsavory individuals, but in an ideal circumstance, how these issues are moderated wouldn't be as much of an issue in the first place if the community got its act together.
Yes, Ketkat was spoken to after ban, as were multiple other people, to the best of my knowledge.
so what the fuck are you trying to accomplish by playing the semantics game? the end result is you're trying to create a rift in the LGBTQ community by doing oppression olympics. Who fucking cares, we gotta stick together, the cishets hate all of us enough as it is, and dismantling the whole community only makes all of us more vulnerable. This is extremely bad faith shit my guy.
Well, maybe as a bi person my struggles would be watered down compared to them too, but I'm telling you with sincere conviction that position's acephobic.
Maybe in their mind it wasn't so much about that but righter highlighting their own struggles. Which, I agree with isn't the right way to go about it.
Huh I didn't even know that about Russia. That sucks. Didn't want to downplay it like that, sorry.
Why are you so god damn hostile from the outset. Maybe I just have a different perspective than you or (evidently) others here. I'm glad to get educated on these issues and learn more, but in order to do that I'd like to make my current point of view clear so others know where I'm at. This isn't some "you're wrong and I'm right" thing to me.
I get that maybe that's not the right point in time for this, but the post in question was part of the bigger picture that is going on right now so I wanted to share my perspective and see how others think about it and why they have these thoughts. That's the entire point why I asked, that's all. Calm down.
I've spoken privately with friends about how I think moderation should be handled on this site, now and in the future. I think this thread is the right time to lay out those ideas, mostly building on the longer post you wrote earlier. I have a presentation to do at 9 est but if the thread is open when I get back I'm gonna give it ago. I've been a part of this community for nearly a decade and we need to do some thoughtful introspection on what we're supposed to be about.
"Why are you so hostile", maybe take a couple dozen steps back, and think about how, maybe, people have had to deal with the same line of thinking you present ad-nauseum in the past and have little to no patience for having to play the same damn game with uninformed people all the time.
Listen to people, and maybe try less to be "right".