I'm not advocating nuking them from existing games. I just tend to like games that don't design their combat systems for i-frames. Like Sekiro largely removed them and that is a large part why it has my favorite From combat system.
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It's time we move away from 'rolling' in games.
- Thread starter Failburger
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Rolling is best when it gives i frames, it makes it more obvious to me. I like non-rolling animations for games without i-frames like Hollow Knight (unless you count the shadow dash which makes the invincibility more obvious)
I do prefer dashes to rolls, since dashes make combat feel a bit more fluid and faster paced while still remaining timing-based.
There's a lot of opportunity to grow here I completely agree. There are some instances mentioned where something very fancy takes the place of the animation and I hope more games do that. Anything that fits the theme of the game is better than a jarring rolling animation.
Also this thread is the prime example of why I am really not enjoying this site. Just pages of 2 word or single gif responses.
Also this thread is the prime example of why I am really not enjoying this site. Just pages of 2 word or single gif responses.
It's certainly fascinating to see the different ways developers use to show the character dodging in a flashy way. Personally I don't really mind one way or the other if rolling vanishes as an action game staple, but only as long as the new dodge -- whether it be dashing or sliding or whatnot -- clearly telegraphs when the invincibility frames end. Although that said, I did like the feel of Bloodborne's hunter dash more than the Dark Souls roll, especially when dodging combo attacks.
Of course for me personally, the best of both worlds is having a roll dodge and a dash dodge, with both types serving a unique defensive function. Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix is my favourite example of this; both Dodge Roll and Quick Run grant invincibility, but the former is shorter and allows Sora to recover quicker while the latter covers a much greater distance, allowing Sora to close the gap if an enemy escapes melee range.
Of course for me personally, the best of both worlds is having a roll dodge and a dash dodge, with both types serving a unique defensive function. Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix is my favourite example of this; both Dodge Roll and Quick Run grant invincibility, but the former is shorter and allows Sora to recover quicker while the latter covers a much greater distance, allowing Sora to close the gap if an enemy escapes melee range.
How does quickstepping through an axe make any more sense than rolling through?
Seems like a matter of aesthetics and visual grammar to me. If the player learns that the "cartwheel" animation has i-frames, they'll use that just like your beloved quickstep! Your immersion be damned!
Bloodborne changed the roll to a dash because it was meant to be a faster action but I can't see a quick step option working as well in souls where the roll is mostly there to communicate that little bit of lag at the end of the dodge.
I'm open to there being something else, but quicksteps never feel as good. Rolling allows you to conserve your momentum and feels natural to run in/out of, quicksteps are just quick bursts of movement that usually feel less natural in terms of movement mechanics despite being more of a realistic action.
The dodge in The Surge games feels so good to me. I like it more than rolling in Souls games.
I beat The Surge 2 with all dodge and not a single parry.
I beat The Surge 2 with all dodge and not a single parry.
Nah, why is immersion important on that level? If Sora from Kingdom Hearts isn't rolling around bad guys like he's Sonic the Hedgehog, I want nothing to do with it.
You just experiment and figure it out. I feel like if you're the type that would never figure that sort of thing out, it probably doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. I can't imagine it would significantly be a detriment to them enjoying the game by not playing so optimally.
I feel like an asshole.
Do you guys not just roll around everywhere you go IRL because it's faster?
Do you guys not just roll around everywhere you go IRL because it's faster?