My wording there was bad before I edited it. I meant the run, not that specific issue. Still, by 81 you have the issue where Magneto almost kills Kitty and after that he basically didn't appear as a villain until the 90s.
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It's the early 90's: Which comic book event was talked about more; The Death of Superman (92) or Wolverine having his Adamantium ripped out (93).
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Literally the only time I actually have liked the Superman comics
Yeah, after he tries to kill Kitty, right. You threw me by saying Giant Size #1, there was a good chunk of stuff that happened between that and him turning face. Like Kitty joining, for starters!
EDIT: It wasn't issue #81 though, would have been much later. 81 was still the reprints. #94 was the first issue with the new team.
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what made you think anything in the history of comics rivaled the death and resurrection of Superman?
I still got my black bag edition somewhere. Actually I have both Fatal Attractions and the black bag and white bag of Supes somewhere. Yea Charles putting Magneto down over Wolverine was an unforgettable moment for X-Men fans and readers, but Superman dying made the national and international news and sent comic sales soaring.
I still got my black bag edition somewhere. Actually I have both Fatal Attractions and the black bag and white bag of Supes somewhere. Yea Charles putting Magneto down over Wolverine was an unforgettable moment for X-Men fans and readers, but Superman dying made the national and international news and sent comic sales soaring.
I mean to be fair, teeth are what is most likely to survive for thousands of years.
That's the moment we are discussing in this thread, which sucks. Mags rips the adamantium out, Wolvie almost dies. He heals and then he pops bone claws and I stopped buying X-Men comics. (It was the straw that broke the camel's back for me, the X-Men were already shit by this point.)
I think I stopped buying around the time of X-Man and Jubilee becoming a Vampire. Just doing other things in life, interested in other things in life. Was a great run.
I mean 1981 (as in, the year), not the issue number. Issue was #150.
haha, yes. I see that now. Roughly 6 years(of real time) after the new team was introduced in '75.
Chris Rock as Robin. Lol. Wow.
This is equally amazing.
Yup, that's yet another event that is several magnitudes more widely known than Wolverine's thing. It's also better than it has any right to be given how ridiculous an idea it is to have a major comic story shaped by 1-900 callers.Member when DC Comics killed Robin by having a phone in hotline to let fans vote (pre-internet days), lol.
Okay, I wasn't sure if this was something that had already been decided upon prior to the Magneto incident or if it was a revelation that said incident introduced. I figured they would at least try to retcon things by saying that Weapon X created bone claws to graft the adamantium to since maybe it was too expensive or otherwise unfeasible to create claws purely from adamantium.
I bet that they didn't even plan for the possibility that people wanted to see Robin live. They probably just assumed that the audience would overwhelmingly want to see him dead.
I was just a tyke when Superman died, not even in to comics- but I still knew that Superman died. That torn cape cover was iconic.
You really don't grasp what it was like then. EVERYBODY was talking about it. It wasn't just on tv it was on the radio, and newspaper your teachers were even talking about it.
It was actually really close.
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Pretty hilarious that it was like 10K votes. They would get more responses today to a Tweet about Firestorm's boots.
The vote was very close. Also, they made the art for the alternative. I know that a lot of the staff wanted Jason killed off, but I think they were prepared for it to go either way.
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Wolverine getting his adamantium ripped from his body didnt even blip in the conversations I was having about comics those days lol. But everyone was talking about the Death of Superman. Mainly just how dumb it was or how soon he would be back.
But I think comics still had that stigma at the time where people just didnt talk about those sorts of things unless you were in your circles where it was understood comics were cool to talk about lol.
Id say the big things that were really talked about were Civil War, the first Ultimates, Blackest Night, and the New 52.
But I think comics still had that stigma at the time where people just didnt talk about those sorts of things unless you were in your circles where it was understood comics were cool to talk about lol.
Id say the big things that were really talked about were Civil War, the first Ultimates, Blackest Night, and the New 52.
DC has a huge advantage here. When something interesting happens like superman death or batman being broken it is built up through decades of nothing else interesting happening.
This commitment really highlights the big moments.
For marvel the metal being ripped out was just another day. It also made perfect sense to do, so the reaction was more like "it is evil, but no shit he would do that at some point"
This commitment really highlights the big moments.
For marvel the metal being ripped out was just another day. It also made perfect sense to do, so the reaction was more like "it is evil, but no shit he would do that at some point"
That's easy Wolverine was the hotest shit during the 90s, but The death of Super Man did get media coverage. When I was growing up In the 90s people were into marvel if they were into comics. Wolverine pretty much won out popularity wise, hell they even had him win over Lobo I recall.
It's gotten so ridiculous that there's currently a tub of molten adamantium at the X-Men HQ at all times in case of no-adamantium Wolverine.
Sabretooth has also gotten and lost adamantium, but it was somehow removed GENTLY.
Fun fact Laura Kinney (X-23, Wolverine) had her bone claws surgically removed and replaced with adamantium forged claws when the Facility was training her.
Wolverine and adamantium didn't mean shit to the mainstream public. The Death of Superman was all over the fucking news.
It seriously was I even drew it cause I liked it so much.
Those books were just so cool, had the coolest new power set for Superman and his fights with giant transforming Metallo was fucking awesome.
Good times, wish they'd do a Cartoon movie of Superman Blue.
Genuinely don't know how those 24 users voted. If they misread the question. If they thought it's a quality thing. If they subconsciously tried to make it a Marvel vs DC thing. If it's some contrarian mindset.
It's a fact that death of Superman was the bigger deal. This massive cultural event outside of comics. It's not a great story or anything. And the SNES game sucked.
Speaking of, I wouldn't even say that Wolverine moment compared to Maximum Carnage. That had games. Also not good games, but the red SNES cart was iconic.
It's a fact that death of Superman was the bigger deal. This massive cultural event outside of comics. It's not a great story or anything. And the SNES game sucked.
Speaking of, I wouldn't even say that Wolverine moment compared to Maximum Carnage. That had games. Also not good games, but the red SNES cart was iconic.
I'd taken a break from comics a bit before that, but I saw the cover on a rack at Barnes And Noble.
I read the hardback novel of Death and Return of Superman long before I ever saw any of the comics, so that should give you an idea of how omnipresent this thing was. It's crazy, in a way. I wonder how DC pulled that off; deaths in comics is never permanent, but the media went nuts for this. There were tons of tie-ins, so it was definitely a concerted effort.
Edit: another thing to consider: yes, X-Men and Wolverine were wildly popular at the time, but primarily on TV. Lots of fans like myself at the time had no idea what was happening in the X-books. Shoot, I didn't really start reading comics til I was an adult (just finished all of Dawn of X, and going back to see what I missed).
Edit: another thing to consider: yes, X-Men and Wolverine were wildly popular at the time, but primarily on TV. Lots of fans like myself at the time had no idea what was happening in the X-books. Shoot, I didn't really start reading comics til I was an adult (just finished all of Dawn of X, and going back to see what I missed).
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Not remotely close. Death of Superman storyline was trash but it was a widely known, super hyped up moment that was getting talked about on the TV news. It is only possible to get that much coverage because it is a gimmick about Superman. Most usual people did not know who Wolverine was in 1993 and, as a huge albeit waning X-Men fan at the time, the Fatal Attractions storyline and the adamantium getting pulled out by Magneto didnt even feel like anything exciting to me.
I mean, that's like saying a nickel is better than a penny when death of superman is a silver dollar.
It's foolish to pretend there's anything close to it in the first place.
The death of Superman will always be hilarious for the fact that they were selling hundreds of thousands of comics to new fans, and then they have a scene where Doomsday punches Supergirls face off
Doomsday was fuckin everyone up.The death of Superman will always be hilarious for the fact that they were selling hundreds of thousands of comics to new fans, and then they have a scene where Doomsday punches Supergirls face off
Yeah but the average person whose knowledge of Superman came from pop culture depictions like the Superman movies wouldnt know anything about Matrix Supergirl.
Its like you hear that they killed Robin but how many fans knew about Jason Todd when the Batman movie came out. You just think they killed Dick Grayson.
The death of Superman will always be hilarious for the fact that they were selling hundreds of thousands of comics to new fans, and then they have a scene where Doomsday punches Supergirls face off
That's weird. Did she recover from it?
1992/1993.
In 1991, Jim Lee drew an X-Men cover in which Wolverine got the skin of his forearm blasted off, and it revealed spring-loaded mechanical tracks, and nobody from editorial had a problem with that.
In 1992, Peter David suggested ripping out Wolverine's adamantium, as a joke. And the X-writers took that joke seriously.
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Magneto rips Wolverine's adamantium out in 1993, and he immediately gets bone claw replacements, because the writers don't want a Wolverine who doesn't have claws and doesn't snikt people (although they were very open to the idea of a feral Wolverine who has no nose). They prepared the bone claws idea while they were getting ready for the adamantium removal.
Before that, Wolverine was just a mutant with a healing factor, which allowed the Weapon X project to inject veins of molten adamantium into his bones, making them unbreakable (and also impossible for his healing factor to reject, since adamantium is indestructable and it's roots are permeated into his bones). His claws (unlike his bones) were laser-sharpened solid adamantium, implanted surgically, by Weapon X. If existing bone claws were surgically replaced with adamantium claws, it doesn't make much sense as to why his body wouldn't simply ignore the adamantium and re-grow his bone claws immediately. But then, maybe his claws were just "coated" with adamantium. I dunno. I think it was a really stupid story idea, and they should've gone with a claw-less Wolverine after he got his adamantium removed.
At the time Kara Zor El had died in Crisis on Infinite Earth, and since editorial had a "Superman is the only Kryptonian" rule she got replaced with Matrix a protoplasmic shapeshifter who took on the appearance of Supergirl. Later Matrix would combine with a dying girl called Linda Danvers to form a new Supergirl
The thing is that because most people only knew Supergirl as Superman's cousin, and not the protoplasmic shapeshifter it just looked like Doomsday had hit Supergirl so hard that it ripped off all of her skin and left her as something resembling a burnt corpse.
In early 2000's someone explained Supergirls complicated backstory to the new editorial, and they immediately put together a new storyline where Superman's cousin was revealed to have survived the destruction of Krypton.
Matrix (Pocket Universe)
Matrix was a protoplasmic, shape-shifting life form created by an alternate Lex Luthor. She was Supergirl for a while. Main article: Supergirl: The Supergirl Saga In a Pocket Universe alternate reality, three Kryptonian criminals escaped the Phantom Zone, and tried to take over that reality's...
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"The Supergirl From Krypton, Part 1 of 6: Alone": A Kryptonite meteor has fallen on Earth, spreading Kryptonite bits all over the world. Superman (depressed at being the last Kryptonian) is confined to the Fortress of Solitude while everyone else deals with the aftermath. This is Kara Zor-El...
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At the time Kara Zor El had died in Crisis on Infinite Earth, and since editorial had a "Superman is the only Kryptonian" rule she got replaced with Matrix a protoplasmic shapeshifter who took on the appearance of Supergirl. Later Matrix would combine with a dying girl called Linda Danvers to form a new Supergirl
The thing is that because most people only knew Supergirl as Superman's cousin, and not the protoplasmic shapeshifter it just looked like Doomsday had hit Supergirl so hard that it ripped off all of her skin and left her as something resembling a burnt corpse.
In early 2000's someone explained Supergirls complicated backstory to the new editorial, and they immediately put together a new storyline where Superman's cousin was revealed to have survived the destruction of Krypton.
Matrix (Pocket Universe)
Matrix was a protoplasmic, shape-shifting life form created by an alternate Lex Luthor. She was Supergirl for a while. Main article: Supergirl: The Supergirl Saga In a Pocket Universe alternate reality, three Kryptonian criminals escaped the Phantom Zone, and tried to take over that reality's...
Linda Danvers (New Earth)
Linda Danvers was one of the bearers of the Supergirl mantle for a short while since her merging with the former Supergirl until her retirement. Linda Danvers was originally an ordinary young girl in Leesburg. Raised in a Christian household, she grew up in church, and became good friends with...
Superman/Batman Vol 1 8
"The Supergirl From Krypton, Part 1 of 6: Alone": A Kryptonite meteor has fallen on Earth, spreading Kryptonite bits all over the world. Superman (depressed at being the last Kryptonian) is confined to the Fortress of Solitude while everyone else deals with the aftermath. This is Kara Zor-El...
That's interesting. Thanks for explaining!
This.
Hell I'd say the Spiderman Clone Saga was bigger than whatever that Wolverine storyline was.
General Zod is another interesting one because all the kids who grew up watching Superman II wanted to write General Zod, but since you have the "Superman is the Last Krytponian" they had to write around this with
General Zod from a pocket Universe
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A Russian man who took the name after being contacted by the ghost of the original General Zod from the previous universe
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Once again once they undid the Superman is last Kryptonian rule, they just brought back General Zod
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Marvel has been shitting on Wolverine for 20 + years now. They just don't know what to do with him.
Still can't understand why they gave him his memory back after house of M and what it achieved.
Even Jason Aaron who is a guy who likes Wolverine and got his break on comics with a Wolverine story doesn't know what to do with him.
Granted professor Wolverine was a cool idea and that comic was really good…but it was too short and it's all but forgotten now.