Not defending them, some people would buy any shit if it's about Kojima. Then again, devs and journos are pros.
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It's the 25th, where is the Abandoned app? [Up: Delayed until August]
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That's not true at all. And extremely toxic. These same people had all their theories proven true when the games came out. Like the Surgeon theory you reference as silly, which turned out to be true(did you not play that game?).
There's always a meme aspect to theories(like Chico is Quiet) and there's always far fringe people like Python Snake. But pointing out coincidences and connections and having fun isn't something that deserves your toxicity.
Spot on, a lot of big names contributed to this whole ordeal and for what?
I don't know what Sony can do contractually, but there's been deceit -- not starting with fans -- so I agree this needs to be shut down so he can be ignored rather than harassed or further hyped.
What I don't get, if he's concerned about having too much hype and a backlash because the game truly is indie then why are they stoking the flames with this countdown? It's just making it look even worse. It makes no sense at all so either it's not done by them and it's a third party. It's them and continuing promotion of their indie game while also putting out a message that they don't want to overhype or it's a Silent Hills ARG.
It still makes them look bad, especially since they'll step in on cyberpunk, but not this. Everyone has been wanting Sony to try again with silent hill after the PT situation and this whole debacle is just not a good look after that.
Or you know, they make art for dozens of different games from small indies to AAA titles, and they almost exclusively put the AAA titles on their website.
Here's an outsourcing studio who went from games like Sekiro, Death Stranding to working on indie titles like No Straight Roads.
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We barely understand how the front line studios work behind the scenes, let alone how small behind the scene outsourcing studios work.
Trying to make a very normal thing into a bigger deal is just going to lead to disappointment.
Outside of people being unable to let go of internet fan theories, why would people want Sony to try again with an IP they don't own?
Silent Hill isn't Sony's responsibility, and people assuming the two have to be connected for so long, especially after everything that happened with Bokeh, just feels weird.
Oh, so head transplant doctor Sergio Canavero actually was making announcements about an experimental surgical procedure as part of an elaborate ARG related to Metal Gear Solid V, and not as a doctor with over a hundred published papers who was sucked into the vortex of weird rumor based entirely on fan hot air, despite his denials and threats to sue Konami?
Cyberpunk did release though, in an abysmal state counter to what has been promised.
If Abandoned does the same, maybe they will. But I don't expect them to take pre-emptive action against an unreleased game based on poor/unintended marketing.
Sony can do it justice and have to see the buzz and excitement around just a rumor of the game. People are thirsty for a Silent Hill game that Sony could benefit from having on their system.
And yet it's not their IP. People need to make their peace with the fact that Sony is under no onus to go around making third parties' games for them just because a couple people might like that.
We're not even getting Bloodborne 2 and Sony owns that IP. Why would they try to make a team to make a Silent Hill game for Konami?
It seems Jason is blocking everyone that reminds him he contributed to this. Not very professional.
Friend, I don't even remember that theory. If I even heard it I totally don't remember.
I thought they were referencing the medic in GZ.
It did not turn out to be true. You're getting two different things mixed up. People figured out the twist with the medic in MGSV immediately, but people also thought that an Italian neurosurgeon named Sergio Canavero appearing in the news for his claims about head transplants being feasible was actually all part of viral marketing for TPP; he bore a strong resemblance to the plastic surgeon at the start of TPP when you're in the hospital in Cyprus. It turned out to be nothing despite the internet going nuts over it in the same exact way. Some modeler at Konami probably just saw the guy in the news and thought "hey, a Mediterranean doctor doing experimental procedures" and used him as a visual reference, and the guy himself got upset at the idea of his likeness was being stolen and considered suing. He was in the news still claiming to be working on head transplants as of 2019.
Joakim Mogren wasn't CG.
Chico wasn't Quiet.
Kiefer Sutherland wasn't a smokescreen for David Hayter to be voicing the real Snake.
The Italian doctor wasn't viral marketing.
MGSV wasn't connected to Silent Hills.
Chapter 3 wasn't a hidden end to the story that had to be solved like a puzzle on Reddit to come out.
Kojima really left Konami, it wasn't a ruse.
Death Stranding was not Metal Gear 0: MGSV: Chapter 3: Silent Hills 2 about Solid Snake's disembodied head on the moon or whatever the fuck the r/NeverBeGameOver people ended up thinking before they moved onto hyping up Abandoned twice
That's what literally all this is. People half-assedly tried to guess at an MGS2-like twist for 3 and 4 (3 is a VR simulation of the 60s! Snake isn't really old in 4!) and then gave up, but for whatever reason Kojima trying to poorly replicate 2's ruse with V caused people to go into overdrive with this continuous search for The Big Ruse. I guess maybe people didn't want to admit that the twist was literally just Venom Snake and that it was so easy to figure out, and decided to spend years coming up with a more shocking one. Maybe they just want to cope with Kojima leaving Konami. For whatever reason it is, it's been the same crowd trying to preach to the internet about how there's some giant massive real conspiracy regarding MGSV and Silent Hills that nobody has figured out yet, and what it supposedly is keeps changing over time, and they've been at it for years now.
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I love the idea of Cory playing along with the whole thing. There's an irreverent side of him that I can appreciate, but this isn't the time or place for it unless he's actually working on Silent Hill or he's privy to info on an imminent announcement. Silent Hill fans have suffered for over a decade in the worst ways. Cash grabs, cynical spinoffs that diminish or undermine the spirit of the originals, cancellation after cancellation...
Just don't. Or announce your Silent Hill game. Whichever.
Just don't. Or announce your Silent Hill game. Whichever.
I don't think anyone said Sony had to do it in house. Maybe have it as a third party exclusive with support from first party like Bloodborne and what PT seemed to be heading towards.
Jason from Bloomberg?
He enjoys creating drama.
And acting like he's above it all.
Why does it have to be their IP to want it for their system and give their system value? Why can't fans of the game want a quality pub to work out a deal for them to provide that game? I don't understand the issue other than Konami not utilizing it's wealth of IP's to their fullest.
Silent Hills was going to be multiplatform, from everything I had heard. The DEMO was PS4-exclusive for marketing purposes, but Silent Hills was going to be on everything that could run the FOX Engine.
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Did PT/Silent Hills or Kojipro (when he was at Konami) have a website back in the day? Can anyone link it?
I don't see how Sony having a franchise with a hardcore dedicated fanbase associated with their platform would be a bad thing or something to be avoided. Moves like that are part of why the ps4 did so well last gen.
They could mess around and have someone else step in to take full advantage in the wake of a debacle like this if they don't do something.
I don't think it's a bad thing or something to be avoided, I just don't think they see enough value in Silent Hill to go out of their way for it. If Konami chose to make another one they might try to maneuver marketing rights or timed exclusivity or whatever because that's a low-risk/high-reward kind of action, but trying to convince another company to make a game for Konami through them? Assuming all the financial/staffing/production risk for a niche horror game in an IP they have no ownership of or control over?
That just doesn't seem like Sony's style. Especially modern Sony.
Lol
I personally learned about this conspiracy theory from Jason's tweet.
So yeah, Jason absolutely contributed to it.
Anyway, the theory isn't debunked yet, right? 😏
Or you know, they make art for dozens of different games from small indies to AAA titles, and they almost exclusively put the AAA titles on their website.
Here's an outsourcing studio who went from games like Sekiro, Death Stranding to working on indie titles like No Straight Roads.
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We barely understand how the front line studios work behind the scenes, let alone how small behind the scene outsourcing studios work.
Trying to make a very normal thing into a bigger deal is just going to lead to disappointment.
That makes sense I guess... And to be clear, I'm not saying "Nuare is working on this, therefore Kojima!" I just mean it doesn't make sense to me that they would participate in a scam.
If they're getting paid to make art, I don't think they care how big the project is or what the developer does with it, honestly. As long as Hasan doesn't breach the third party contract with them it's not really their problem.
Fair enough, I'm just saying that weird deals have happened before. Part of me is still hoping that Sony would do exciting left field sort of stuff like that.
Fair enough. I can see how the phrasing could be confusing.
I've got nothing against people doing whatever speculation they want about the content of an upcoming game, and coming up with wild fan theories. Go nuts. This is something altogether different.
This Abandoned speculation reminded me of Sergio Canavero pretty quickly, and similarly to that, what started and seemed to many like a fun speculative game was something that sucked in some unrelated person who was now subject to an obsessive fan microscope they never asked for. As neat as the Joakim Mogren/Moby Dick Studios stunt must have seemed at the time, fans have taken it as an open door to assume that anyone and anything could be related to the Next Hideo Kojima Project, and while people like feeling like part of a conspiracy or on the verge of cracking a big secret, this sort of wild theorizing impacts real people.
I hope the passionate people who are working on this project are able to jump ship as early as possible, because direction and management of this development studio is not acting on their best behalf and when things start getting ugly I hope no CEO, Creative Director or so thinks that "we had no idea why gamers are angry at the studio, we work our asses off" is an excuse. People working on the game absolutely are and they are not to blame, but whoever is handling communication with the public is messing up big time.
The degree in which people were literally conspiring about the game being Silent Hill and director being Kojima? Yeah, that's not on the management of this project. But overpromising, straight up lying (anyone who has committed a build to PSN knows everything they have said about the project is straight up made up. You can not delay the launch of something that very same day because the localization/content was not finished! Sony doesn't even approve you uploading anything into the store if it doesn't fit the criteria and you have to submit months in advance).
Like, part is to blame on the press, but to think that the narrative is switching to "poor Blue Box Games, they delayed the game because of the resetera thread and people thinking it was Silent Hill" and I honestly don't know why, feels like I'm losing something. I'm not even going to comment on this Hasan guy feeding into the "cospiracy" and straight up making references to it but acting like a "we are not Kojima guys :)" tweet was all he needed to say when the fire was still being fueled by announcing stuff taken from Silent Hills marketing texts, or features that not even AAA games have, like interactive in-engine trailers released on a brand new console.
The degree in which people were literally conspiring about the game being Silent Hill and director being Kojima? Yeah, that's not on the management of this project. But overpromising, straight up lying (anyone who has committed a build to PSN knows everything they have said about the project is straight up made up. You can not delay the launch of something that very same day because the localization/content was not finished! Sony doesn't even approve you uploading anything into the store if it doesn't fit the criteria and you have to submit months in advance).
Like, part is to blame on the press, but to think that the narrative is switching to "poor Blue Box Games, they delayed the game because of the resetera thread and people thinking it was Silent Hill" and I honestly don't know why, feels like I'm losing something. I'm not even going to comment on this Hasan guy feeding into the "cospiracy" and straight up making references to it but acting like a "we are not Kojima guys :)" tweet was all he needed to say when the fire was still being fueled by announcing stuff taken from Silent Hills marketing texts, or features that not even AAA games have, like interactive in-engine trailers released on a brand new console.
I think people should back off, but Sony should ask Blue Box to actually prove to them they have 10 employees and all that.
Because it's fairly clearly not true; I don't think the owner is a terrible person or anything, but they've been making claims on the internet that are suspect at best the entire time the company existed.
Or maybe Sony should ignore this and just let this die off as this guy will probably not create a real game anyways. I wouldn't want Sony making it harder for real indie devs making games in earnest to join up.
Because it's fairly clearly not true; I don't think the owner is a terrible person or anything, but they've been making claims on the internet that are suspect at best the entire time the company existed.
Or maybe Sony should ignore this and just let this die off as this guy will probably not create a real game anyways. I wouldn't want Sony making it harder for real indie devs making games in earnest to join up.
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