Belichick did coach other QB's.
Something to keep in mind with Belichick - He coached the Browns back in '94 and not only made it into the playoffs, but won a playoff game.
That is just as impressive as winning 8 super bowls IMO.
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It's over, no more debates Tom Brady is the goat no contest.
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Belichick did coach other QB's.
Something to keep in mind with Belichick - He coached the Browns back in '94 and not only made it into the playoffs, but won a playoff game.
That is just as impressive as winning 8 super bowls IMO.
It's almost as if being on a fantastic team can help you win a SB even when you're old and bad.
If Aaron Rodgers wins a couple of more rings and he doesn't necessarily need to win 6 obviously, I think there will be a debate. Rodgers is just something else as a talent.
I mean are we just going dismiss Belichick if after this SB defensive performance.
I mean are we just going dismiss Belichick if after this SB defensive performance.
He was already the GOAT. Winning the worst Superbowl in history isn't exactly the thing that will enshrine his legacy.
You said Belichick took Cassel to the playoffs. But he didn't. So how did you mean he didn't when you said he did?
I didn't suggest Cassel played in the postseason for the Patriots...
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Aaron is truly incredible, but part of his problem is holding the ball too long. It's lead to injuries. Also his late game stats are questionable
Rodgers will most likely never win another SB in his life, and his carrer just got shortened with having to play against Mack twice a year. He hasn't been able to play a full season healthy in years.
I feel like this game adds to Brady's legacy in the same way that Peyton Manning's second Super Bowl added to his. It notches another victory on the belt, but it wasn't a particularly impressive performance.
That being said, Brady's full resume is why he still warrants consideration as the greatest of all time. He probably is #1, but the biggest potential knocks against him are that a) he played in a pathetic division where they were virtually guaranteed home field advantage for 15 seasons and b) Belichick is a pretty damn good coach. If anything, this win was more a testament to Belichick's brilliance than Brady's greatness.
All things considered, I think Brady probably is the best to play the position, but I don't feel any differently about it this year than I did last year. His wins against Seattle and Atlanta did far more to cement his status.
That being said, Brady's full resume is why he still warrants consideration as the greatest of all time. He probably is #1, but the biggest potential knocks against him are that a) he played in a pathetic division where they were virtually guaranteed home field advantage for 15 seasons and b) Belichick is a pretty damn good coach. If anything, this win was more a testament to Belichick's brilliance than Brady's greatness.
All things considered, I think Brady probably is the best to play the position, but I don't feel any differently about it this year than I did last year. His wins against Seattle and Atlanta did far more to cement his status.
Give my mans his respect 🙏🏽
Doesn't make it any less true and lmaoooo who's in the patriots division? The jets, dolphins and the fucking bills?!? THE JETS, DOLPHINS AND THE FUCKING BILLS?!? 😂😂😂 come on fam. Peyton with Belichick would've feasted even more than he did against the trash AFC south.
The saints were clearly the better team. No way that colts team was gonna stop brees and Payton and again, Jim cauldwell was the coach. Manning can't work miracles out here bruh. Same thing with the seahawks. they were the better Team and if we talking about Super Bowl losses Belichick lost to Eli twice 🤦🏽♂️
Lmaooo nah real talk though that skins game was funny as shit.
My mistake. Misread. Probably should be a question mark at the end of the first sentence from the first post I quoted, though.
Carry on. I'll continue to read about how being a Trump supporter makes someone worse at football.
Trump definately made the Rams a lesser team tonight!
I'm still coasting right now.
So much salt.
The defense argument is vastly overstated. Also casually glossing over the talent manning had on offense, namely two hall of fame wrs for their entire career, isnt getting you far. Get real. Peyton didnt have shit for success in the post season to be justified in this conversation. Which is why it's never Brady vs manning anymore. Its Brady vs everyone else. So yeah get real. People moved on from manning in this conversation a long time ago, mostly because he crumbled when it mattered most year after year despite having a career with more offensive weapons than virtually anyone else in the conversation.
AS a Ram's fan, fine, sure, ok, I don't think I ever argued otherwise
but don't come crying to me when he slots that sixth ring and snaps his fingers to end half the universe
but don't come crying to me when he slots that sixth ring and snaps his fingers to end half the universe
*shrug*
It's not really salt when it's facts. It does make it easier to hate him since Boston fans in the last decade beat out Lakers and NY fans as the most insufferable sports fanbase in the country. Ruined my appreciation for the Red Sox ffs.
Another thing Boston fans will overlook.
It's not really salt when it's facts. It does make it easier to hate him since Boston fans in the last decade beat out Lakers and NY fans as the most insufferable sports fanbase in the country. Ruined my appreciation for the Red Sox ffs.
Another thing Boston fans will overlook.
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You do understand that wherever the universe exists where Peyton is the GOAT, it isn't this one right? Like who are you people who are thinking this? You'd be laughed out of any decent sports conversation with that take
Peyton was great though. His numbers speak for themselves. I wonder if you were to pluck Brady out of the Patriots and replace him with Peyton if the Patriots would be as successful? I think so, but what ifs and all.
I don't think that is really silly. He has played in a couple Super Bowls. Arguably done more with less.
The difference being is that while Brady wasnt particularly good in this game, hes the reason they won to even get here in the first place. The same cant be said for either of Manning's superbowl runs.
Brady is probably the goat, but playing in the AFC East and automatically being in the playoffs every year gives you a greater chance of winning a Superbowl than any other team.
Well yes, but you know you can only have a reasonable discussion with the hard facts as the ammo, anything else usually just descends into fanboy madness . And yes Peyton was great
I always thought it would be amazing for Rodgers and Brady to switch teams for a year as an experiment and see how both ended up.
1. He has always had a superb supporting cast
2. He has always had a superb coaching team
3. He cheats
4. Fuck him
5. I will dry you out with my salt and mummify you
2. He has always had a superb coaching team
3. He cheats
4. Fuck him
5. I will dry you out with my salt and mummify you
I couldn't care less how many rings he has or his talent level. He's just not a very good sport, and people won't remember him the same way they remember people like Michael Jordan. Outside of Patriots fans he is vehemently disliked, and it doesn't boil down to his record. It's his smug demeanor, his blatant whining on field, and all of the controversy that surrounds him.
The Patriots are just too good. It's kinda boring when the same team makes it to the Super Bowl every year.
Man people need to chill out with the Jordan hate. Has he always been a nice guy to everyone? No. But is he a piece of shit? Dude is happy to make some of the largest philanthropic donations any athlete has ever made
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-donating-2-million-hurricane-florence-relief
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...c-donation-ever-to-fund-clinics-in-charlotte/
Yep he's the greatest.
And i think he would also admit that it's taken a little luck along the way.
Like being in an absolute trash division for most of his career.
And i think he would also admit that it's taken a little luck along the way.
Like being in an absolute trash division for most of his career.
I think the Jordan comparison is that had social media and exposure that exists today existed back then ppl would have had much worse opinions of Jordan.
lol yea I was just spitting an what if thing. I'd argue Peytons career stats are potentially better, but that doesn't matter to most. Rings do.
Perhaps, he was one of the most media savvy athletes so it's quite possible he'd adapt. That said, I see your point but the person I quoted literally said he was a piece of shit, while I'd argue he was more just kind of a jerk at times but ultimately not a terrible person or anything like that
