It's Official: We live in different realities (VP Debate speaking time)

[Deleted member 4461]

EDIT: I believe people are misreading these tweets.

The first tweet says Pence spoke more than Kamala (by 3 seconds).

The second tweet says the EXACT OPPOSITE - that Kamala spoke more than Pence (by 3 whole minutes).





Evidently CBS is reporting 3 min more for Pence (could not find source for this), but... It's kind of clear what type of person is gravitating to each analysis.

I'd love to see the debate with a timer over it, but like...

This is the nature of political discourse in this country. We already knew this, but man is it sad.

 

[SpitfireKit]

3 seconds?

 

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the two estimations aren't wildly different though

 

[platocplx]

I'd love to know how they timed that.

 

[Septimus Prime]

I mean, there were two on Pence's stand for a while.

 

[Red Comet]

Yeah, this really shocked me. It felt like Pence spoke for an eternity longer than Harris. Maybe it's just because everything he says or does is just so excruciatingly boring.

 

[turtle553]

I'd need to see splits by half. Harris learned to not stop to make sure her point was made. So I think she made up the gap.

 

[BlueTsunami]

Yeah, this really shocked me. It felt like Pence spoke for an eternity longer than Harris. Maybe it's just because everything he says or does is just so excruciatingly boring.

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They also lacked substance, he was just blathering to kill time where Kamala was more likely to actually follow the moderators directives and questions. Pence also had this penchant of just going way past his time where Kamala would dip her toe when she had a salient point to make. It came off as Pence just sucking the air from the room.

 

[NookSports]

I think Pence interrupted more, but Kamala fought for her time and clawed back as much as Pence took. It feels he did because he was the one starting the filibuster

 

[Deleted member 4461]

the two estimations aren't wildly different though

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3 seconds vs 3 minutes though.

And since a big talking point is Pence's interrupting, the 3 minute difference is taken to mean that Pence either made his point in fewer words OR that the people saying the debate was unfair in Pence's favor are crazy.

 

[fenners]

This is... This is not the war to be fighting?

Anyone that cares/worries that Pence got more minutes is already on your side.

 

[Deleted member 4461]

This is... This is not the war to be fighting?

Anyone that cares/worries that Pence got more minutes is already on your side.

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Respectfully, I don't know if people are misreading these tweets.

The second tweet says that Kamala spoke three *minutes* MORE than Pence.

The first tweet reverses that, saying Pence spoke three *seconds* MORE than Kamala.

 

[fenners]

Respectfully, I don't know if people are misreading these tweets.

The second tweet says that Kamala spoke three *minutes* MORE than Pence.

The first tweet reverses that, saying Pence spoke three *seconds* MORE than Kamala.

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Respectfully, does it matter? Anyone on the other side that thinks Pence spoke more & "won" isn't going to change because he didn't...

 

[blanton]

MSNBC was saying Harris had three and a half minutes more speaking time earlier.

I guess if we're splitting hairs like this, we're back to pre-2015 politics. Thank god. That debate will be forgotten like all VP debates should be and that's the first sign of a return to normalcy in forever.

 

[Deleted member 4461]

Respectfully, does it matter? Anyone on the other side that thinks Pence spoke more & "won" isn't going to change because he didn't...

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Spoke less, spoke less!! You're misreading. :/

The point was that we can't even perceive something as simple as time the same way.

People on the right are quoting the second tweet (including Trump Jr.) to claim that people who are talking about sexism are crazy.

 

[fenners]

Spoke less, spoke less!! You're misreading. :/

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The second tweet says that Kamala spoke three *minutes* MORE than Pence.

The first tweet reverses that, saying Pence spoke three *seconds* MORE than Kamala.

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Again, this is irrelevant. Nobody is changing their vote on this.

 

[Deleted member 4461]

Again, this is irrelevant. Nobody is changing their vote on this.

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Well, if we're being blunt - no one is changing their vote based on the VP Debate at all.

My point wasn't "wow, here's some crazy vote changing thing." My point was "wow, we can't even agree on some of the most basic things as a country, including the passage of time."

I would have figured this was an obvious slam dunk for most people. Trump fans would just talk about how Pence had control, or obfuscate in some way. But it turns out that we literally don't have a straight answer on *time*.

 

[WrenchNinja]

I need to know their methodology

 

[EternalDarko]

Who gives a shit who spoke more? It's the content of what they said that matters.

Trump basically spoke 99% of the time in the presidential debate, does that mean he won then by these standards?

 

[Cass_Se]

I think what the op meant is not that this is a deciding factor in the election in any way, just that there are huge differences on something as elemental and measurable as time spent talking.

 

[Eeyore]

Spoke less, spoke less!! You're misreading. :/

The point was that we can't even perceive something as simple as time the same way.

People on the right are quoting the second tweet (including Trump Jr.) to claim that people who are talking about sexism are crazy.

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The sexist part isn't the speaking times but a woman can't interrupt because it's looked at differently than a man. So the actual time doesn't matter as much as the interaction. And we all saw the interaction was clear as day. Even if no one had heard of Pence and his history with women, I would say something similar.

As far as the chuds, I'm not sure that this is some line of demarcation considering everything.

 

[Deleted member 4461]

I think what the op meant is not that this is a deciding factor in the election in any way, just that there are huge differences on something as elemental and measurable as time spent talking.

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Yes; thank you!

The sexist part isn't the speaking times but a woman can't interrupt because it's looked at differently than a man. So the actual time doesn't matter as much as the interaction. And we all saw the interaction was clear as day. Even if no one had heard of Pence and his history with women, I would say something similar.

As far as the chuds, I'm not sure that this is some line of demarcation considering everything.

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True. It's more that they're saying "Pence was interrupting to take back his speaking time. See how much less time he had?"

Simple stuff like that is just... warped :/

And yeah, everyone has already picked their sides, etc