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It's kind of crazy to me that we've never gotten a fighting game based on The Matrix franchise
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They have tried on several occasions, I'm sure TV series and more films have been planned.
There is a new film in pre-production, but that is likely to turn into nothing again
An interesting thread, but your post is all about content for the game...unfortunately making games is generally a business, and making licenced games is ALWAYS a business.
Cost of matrix licence > expected profit from "yet another fighting game"
Cost of matrix licence > expected profit from "yet another fighting game"
Did WB settle with that author which it was her "concept" that the films originally stemmed from?
How are they going to write a sequel and not give away the fact that humans were never freed by the machines?
You must have missed the second half of my first sentence in that post. I mentioned a sequel.
Didn't you have to 'hack' it through that weird terminal option in the main menu? I also seem to remember fighting cars?
The Matrix was a franchise that I feel like should have had a bigger splash in the video game world. It definitely didn't help that the first two games were partnered with Atari during a run where they weren't really putting out good games.
thinking about this some more i think it could work, but it would need to be completely detached from the films and i'm not sure how appealing that would be to the masses.
the "matrix" would essentially only serve as context to gravity defying special moves, or higher than normal jumps, or speed or slo-mo etc of which all characters take advantage of with unique finishers etc. but i think you'd need an entirely fresh cast of characters for it to work, all designed uniquely. non of this black suits, black shades stuff. there could even be some more matrix integration in the form of combat style switches mid fight. where you can effectively "download" the ability to fight in a specific style (complete with effect and animation maybe?), i'm thinking something akin to the style switching seen in the PS2 mortal kombat games.
i think that would work as a matrix themed fighter. but i think if enter the matrix proved anything, it's that people didn't care for a game simply set in the matrix, they want neo...and so i'd imagine they wouldn't care much for a fighter comprised of unknown original characters that just happened to be jacked into the matrix and fighting in cool ways.
the "matrix" would essentially only serve as context to gravity defying special moves, or higher than normal jumps, or speed or slo-mo etc of which all characters take advantage of with unique finishers etc. but i think you'd need an entirely fresh cast of characters for it to work, all designed uniquely. non of this black suits, black shades stuff. there could even be some more matrix integration in the form of combat style switches mid fight. where you can effectively "download" the ability to fight in a specific style (complete with effect and animation maybe?), i'm thinking something akin to the style switching seen in the PS2 mortal kombat games.
i think that would work as a matrix themed fighter. but i think if enter the matrix proved anything, it's that people didn't care for a game simply set in the matrix, they want neo...and so i'd imagine they wouldn't care much for a fighter comprised of unknown original characters that just happened to be jacked into the matrix and fighting in cool ways.
I didn't, I'm just saying that a sequel is going to be very difficult to write and not give completely away the fact that the Matrix is multilayered (which is something a lot of people failed to grasp). Zion doesn't really exist is not something most people understood
Lol call it a period piece game based in the edgy 2000s.
There's just not enough characters and not enough eccentricities in their fighting styles. I'd only allow it if the og actors were involved with the voice acting just to see what happens.
Matrix characters outside of The Animatrix are too drab and monotone to make for an interesting fighting game roster. Being visually stimulating is an important part of building a roster for a fighter and as varied as the personalities on display are, the vast majority are someone in black or white possibly with some highlights in another color with few exceptions.
He wasn't in the main matrix software/server when that happened- he was in a waystation between the matrix and the machine world. The Trainman was a program given absolute sovereignty over that domain.
Uhhhh...that's not actually true. Zion is real. MWAM (Matrix with a matrix) was not the direction the series took. It was just a popular theory after reloaded for why Neo was able to take out the sentinels.
Did anyone ever play this silly little flash game you could play two player in your keyboard? It was a fighting game basically the matrix.
Zion beeing real doesn't jive with how the movies are presented at all. A matrix within the matrix has always been the most logical measure a system preventing its collapse would take.
There are many elements within all 3 movies attesting to this and the sentinels isn't the most important one (it's actually just a tiny one)
Eh...I'd love to hear specifics, but I think it would actually introduce unnecessary incoherence. Certainly, the widespread understanding of the trilogy (among people who cared- not joe schmo) was that Zion was real and an intentional means of dealing with inevitable rebellion in a way that would eventually solve for it. Moreover, the movies themselves explain the sentinel bit- from the words of the oracle no doubt- so if you're right, either she's lying (which she doesn't really do- mislead maybe but not outright lie) or she doesn't know.
Debating this is making me feel like a college freshman wasting time on Last Free City forums again :P
There are many subtle clues and yes The Oracle is one of the safeguards within the Matrix to ensure proper human control. But I'm going to name a few :
- Both the Oracle and the Architect are driven by their survival, neither are rogue programs and neither are looking for an end, they are merely safeguards to ensure that humans who refuse the deeper level of the matrix can feel a sense of escape by reaching the second (of probably 3) layer. The best way to control is to give an illusion of choice and escapability (nothing should be rigid per se)
- if you watch closely, the different layers have different color codes. Within the first layer, the code is in green (secure environment). The second layer is orange/yellow (risky environment in hacking terms), so the third layer should be red code (for high risk, severe breach, and so on)
- there are gateways between layers, which is akin to having links between different environments (pardon my french). If Zion was real and Neo escapes to the real world, then taking a train shouldn't enable him to reach the real world, just change layers within the simulation.
- Smith going to the following layer by infesting a human. This shouldn't be possible since the human is biological, there's nothing for Smith to execute code on to « possess » and corrupt
- Neo controlling the sentinels which shouldn't again be possible because he has no link to them... unless he's within the simulation... which leads to
- Neo sees the « real world » as a coded environment, accrediting the notion that he's within the Matrix itself
- The exchange between the Oracle and the Architect hints at humans not beeing free after all
- Zion's archive paints the humans as the sole culprits of this whole ordeal and lays all the blame on them, which makes absolutely no sense unless the Matrix controls what they are « taught »
- The one's existence leading the « unconnected » to actually have hope of defeating the machines and reclaiming their world
I could go on :p
Don't think a Matrix fighting game makes sense or ever made sense at all. Imagine a fighting game with:
There would be a few standout characters like the Ghost twins but otherwise that doesn't sound good at all. The franchise slots way more in to an action game.
- Largely homogenous character design (fashion wise)
- Fighters with largely homogenous fighting styles outside of maybe a few weapons
There would be a few standout characters like the Ghost twins but otherwise that doesn't sound good at all. The franchise slots way more in to an action game.
It's still nothing more then a glorified fan theory. Even if that was the intention to be garnered from the trilogy a sequel could very easily ignore it since it's not something the general audience would even be aware of anyways.
Eh- i'm not convinced- see my comments above. Is it impossible? no. But I don't think the explanation makes the best use of the evidence.
Plus- the Matrix functions very intentionally as gnostic allegory. There's no mistaking The Oracle as Sophia and The Architect as The Demiurge. Escaping the false world of the matrix and re-uniting/establishing peace with the machines of the physical world dovetails in perfectly with the eschatology of gnostic myth. Sophia/Wisdom (Oracle) is the one that tries to usher the wisdom of humanity out of the false world. The Demiurge (Architect), who created the false/bad world, tries to prevent this from happening. On multiple levels, MWAM would undermine this allegory.
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The boring character design element is not even a big deal because they would obviously include multiple outfits for each character plus color swaps. They could probably even do some sort of fashion creator like an MMO has where you can customize and choose outfits and color schemes.
Yes, that is an amazing idea. If you could change martial arts styles mid-fight (kung fu, aikido, karate, etc) and even implement some sort of gun fu combat with pistols, smgs, rifles, etc. and each style would have different moves and specials depending on which character you choose it would definitly solve the "everyone fights the same" criticism.
The boring character design element is not even a big deal because they would obviously include multiple outfits for each character plus color swaps. They could probably even do some sort of fashion creator like an MMO has where you can customize and choose outfits and color schemes.
Yes, that is an amazing idea. If you could change martial arts styles mid-fight (kung fu, aikido, karate, etc) and even implement some sort of gun fu combat with pistols, smgs, rifles, etc. and each style would have different moves and specials depending on which character you choose it would definitly solve the "everyone fights the same" criticism.
Yeah, gimme that old school BioWare RPG feel set in The Matrix and we golden.
That or something batshit crazy from Platinum Games.
The Sophia/Demiurge allegory still works with a mwtm theory. Also the Oracle senses that Smith has corrupted the current layer and is attempting to gain control of the following one. It's a question of survival at this point. She's not taking a risk, she's acting out for her own gains. This is prety reccurent in the whole trilogy going back to the first movie. She actually warns him in the first one.
Also the Oracle could also be seen as the one controlling the Matrix database (like... Oracle.. :p) and the Architect as the database supervisor.
When Neo meets the Architect, he is warned that they are willing to go to levels beyond his imagination to ensure their survival, they are not going to lay down gently into the night and his very existence is by design.
I'm willing to bet we'll never have a clear answer on this and I actually enjoy the subconscious levels in the trilogy enough to keep it that way (unlike say.. Star Wars lore).
Oh man, I'd love a BioWare Matrix RPG if it could be given enough depth. Lately I've been craving an RPG with a focus on martial arts, and that would be pretty close to fitting the bill.
Platinum would be a good choice too. They're probably one of the only companies who could nail the feeling of action from the movies.
I forgot about that. I should probably rewatch the 3rd one.
When did Oracle warn Neo about Smith in the first movie? I don't recall that ever happening. I think she may have mentioned Smith in the 2nd movie when they were in the park, but as far as I know, I don't remember hearing that in the first. and I could have sworn Zion was the real world, since if it WAS still within the Matrix, Neo would still be able to do the things he does in the main Matrix. Doesn't make sense how if Zion isn't real, he couldn't still be superhuman outside the main Matrix network.
Not about smith
About herself
Neo realises he can do things in the Zion universe at the end of the second movie. The Matrix within the Matrix safeguard goes with the fact that Zion's inhabitants believe they are free from it and thus can't act within the ruleset or bend that ruleset within it (unlike the green coded one).
You'd have to think you're still a captive to act as someone trying to bend « reality »
I thought that was in the 3rd movie when he grabbed a pole, twirled it similar to what he did against the mob of Smith's in Reloaded? But you're probably right, I need to re-watch both movies to understand it better.
We had one. There is a VS game hidden with enter the matrix accessible via hacking minigames. There are also cars characters