It's clear that Microsoft is preparing for the arrival of Amazon and Google into gaming

[nib95]

Microsoft,Google,Amazon will own every publisher and indie studio just like Disney,Comcast & AT&T so there wont be any 3rd party left this will all happen within 5 years if not sooner And Sony is a public company so it will be bought too and probably split off with another companies who want to buy the movie, music and television parts of Sony who would ever dream fox would be bought by Disney or AT&T buying Time Warner/Warner Brothers

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Yea, no. The most expensive acquisition Google has ever made is Motorola at $12bn, and Amazon's is Whole Foods at $13bn. To add some perspective, EA's market cap is $32bn, Activision's is $34bn, Ubisoft's is $8bn, Take Two's is $10bn and so on. Add to that, even if they did aquire one or the other, revenue wise it wouldn't really make sense to remove the publishers games from the console systems, sincebthey'd only be harming their own bottom line. Chances are game streaming options will only be additive in nature.

 

[Deleted member 27471]

Let me paint two other area's Sony was first in but find themselves behind now:

1. BC what happened to the interest in that area and then they dropped it?? Then MS bombshells Sony with BC for the Xbox 360 and OG Xbox. The kicker was the BC emulation was leagues better than the original home system.
2. Yes, Sony invested in Onlive but, what did they do with it? Shut it down. Where are the tech advances? MS and Google have made quantum jumps in those area's and bringing latency down for the consumer. Both have working games proving the tech works. Where were Sony's advances? See it doesn't pay to be first if you can't capitalize on the investment.

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The real advantage Amazon/Google/Microsoft have is that when their servers aren't being used for gaming their other cloud customers can use the servers which should result in significantly lower pricing. Sony's problem is that they have to build datacenters just for game streaming which needs a lot of servers to handle peak times and then will sit idle 75% of the time.

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Good points that i had not considered.

Im not familiar with onlive, but what about their Gaikai acquisition? What are they doing with that?

 

[Wulfer]

Lol. Microsoft has been lagging behind the competition or market leader near enough ever since they entered in to gaming (eg for multiple decades), and they've never led, so I think you give them far too much credit. If anything their recent and past antics and performance do little to inspire much confidence.

Google and Amazon are giant big question marks who have made barely any inroads thus far and have a way to go, whilst Sony has been market leader almost every generation they've been involved in console gaming (25+ years), and are also presently already ahead of the competition in game streaming.

Your predictions and assumptions have little to no basis or backing.

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It's funny you say that because you got proven wrong above your original post.

 

[Swift_Gamer]

Let me paint two other area's Sony was first in but find themselves behind now:

1. BC what happened to the interest in that area and then they dropped it?? Then MS bombshells Sony with BC for the Xbox 360 and OG Xbox. The kicker was the BC emulation was leagues better than the original home system.
2. Yes, Sony invested in Onlive but, what did they do with it? Shut it down. Where are the tech advances? MS and Google have made quantum jumps in those area's and bringing latency down for the consumer. Both have working games proving the tech works. Where were Sony's advances? See it doesn't pay to be first if you can't capitalize on the investment.

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1 - BC didn't make Xbox successful. PS4 doesn't have BC, neither does Switch, and both are more successful than X1, people don't buy new consoles to play old games, so that point is moot.
2 - PS Now is currently the most advanced, functional and profitable gaming streaming service and Sony is improving it ever since its conception. Do you have any source proving Sony is not investing on PS now? Nothing you're saying makes any sense.

 

[Brandon]

Clear isn't the word I'd use. I think Microsoft/Xbox is just doing what's best for Xbox.

 

[vivftp]

Let me paint two other area's Sony was first in but find themselves behind now:

1. BC what happened to the interest in that area and then they dropped it?? Then MS bombshells Sony with BC for the Xbox 360 and OG Xbox. The kicker was the BC emulation was leagues better than the original home system.

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Sony's been doing BC since the PS2 and the PS3. The PS4 is an exception, mostly due to incompatibility with Cell. You may ask why they then didn't offer PS1 and PS2 BC, my guess is because it would mean a fractured BC experience. Now, of course we have PS2 downloadable games via PS Now, and there's more than enough speculation that the PS5 could have full BC with the entire PS console catalog.

2. Yes, Sony invested in Onlive but, what did they do with it? Shut it down. Where are the tech advances? MS and Google have made quantum jumps in those area's and bringing latency down for the consumer. Both have working games proving the tech works. Where were Sony's advances? See it doesn't pay to be first if you can't capitalize on the investment.

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PS Now? Not sure what you're talking about man. PS Now is in 12 countries and performing a beta in 7 more. It's growing and will only get better as time goes on. The theory I subscribe to regarding why they haven't expanded more is two-fold

1) They are awaiting PS5 hardware to install in PS Now server locations. Right now they have to install both PS4 and PS3 hardware in locations to cover the available catalog and that's not cost efficient and surely they want to stop having to produce Cell hardware soon. This is one of the reasons it makes sense to think the PS5 will have full BC because if it is then this single hardware setup will be sufficient to handle all of their streaming needs in all servers. It's because of this reason I think we've seen a relatively slow rollout of PS Now globally. Once PS5 hardware is available I think we'll see a lot more countries getting the service

2) PS Now was originally intended to be on all devices from consoles to TVs, mobiles, PC... everything. That was obviously scaled back to PS4 and PC. I'm thinking the mobile offering was put on hold until 5G can roll out and offer mobile users a proper streaming experience on the go. I like to think this is also one of the reasons the Sony Mobile division is kept around because they are basically an in-house R&D division that the rest of Sony can tap for their experience in mobiles and 5G in particular.

 

[CosmicSea]

So is Sony...why do people always ignore Sony is the only one who even has a streaming service?

 

[Anthony Hopkins]

I think Xcloud will be a monthly fee where you can access your xbox account and games. I wonder how Google service will work though.

 

[Vestal]

1 - BC didn't make Xbox successful. PS4 doesn't have BC, neither does Switch, and both are more successful than X1, people don't buy new consoles to play old games, so that point is moot.
2 - PS Now is currently the most advanced, functional and profitable gaming streaming service and Sony is improving it ever since its conception. Do you have any source proving Sony is not investing on PS now? Nothing you're saying makes any sense.

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PS Now will not be able to compete from a financial perspective. Once the big boys come in to play they can undercut PSNow and still turn a profit due to how Cloud infrastructure works.

 

[CosmicSea]

Microsoft,Google,Amazon will own every publisher and indie studio just like Disney,Comcast & AT&T so there wont be any 3rd party left this will all happen within 5 years if not sooner And Sony is a public company so it will be bought too and probably split off with another companies who want to buy the movie, music and television parts of Sony who would ever dream fox would be bought by Disney or AT&T buying Time Warner/Warner Brothers

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LOL..fan fiction.

 

[dom]

It's funny you say that because you got proven wrong above your original post.

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Who's alt are you?

 

[Swift_Gamer]

PS Now will not be able to compete from a financial perspective. Once the big boys come in to play they can undercut PSNow and still turn a profit due to how Cloud infrastructure works.

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Source on this? Do you have any inside info on that? I'd love to see the data that proves that Sony will not be able to compete. C'mon give me some source.

 

[CosmicSea]

PS Now will not be able to compete from a financial perspective. Once the big boys come in to play they can undercut PSNow and still turn a profit due to how Cloud infrastructure works.

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Sony can;t compete..we have been hearing this forever..Sony will be fine, most of you are grossly underestimating Sony which is odd considering the strong position they are in globally.

Because Sony currently doesn't make it
Source on this? Do you have any inside info on that? I'd love to see the data that proves that Sony will not be able to compete. C'mon give me some source.

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HUH? Doesn;t make it ? What?

 

[nib95]

Google's streaming service runs through Chrome, and Chrome has an installed base of 2 billion users.

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Right, but that doesn't mean the majority of present console gamers will migrate over to game streaming or that it will heavily erode into console gaming. Similar to mobile gaming vs console gaming, I believe game streaming will be additive in nature and also appeal to new demographics of gamers (especially or notably casual), but that consoles are still going to be the primary source for the kinds of games we console/PC gamers play today, and for more enthusiast gamers in general.

 

[dom]

The real advantage Amazon/Google/Microsoft have is that when their servers aren't being used for gaming their other cloud customers can use the servers which should result in significantly lower pricing. Sony's problem is that they have to build datacenters just for game streaming which needs a lot of servers to handle peak times and then will sit idle 75% of the time.

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Microsoft's way of streaming is pretty much like how Sony is doing it right now. It needs dedicated hardware. Sony uses PS3/PS4 hardware while Microsoft will use XB1 hardware.

 

[Swift_Gamer]

Sony can;t compete..we have been hearing this forever..Sony will be fine, most of you are grossly underestimating Sony which is odd considering the strong position they are in globally.


HUH? Doesn;t make it ? What?

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I edited to remove that.

 

[vivftp]

I think Xcloud will be a monthly fee where you can access your xbox account and games. I wonder how Google service will work though.

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I've been asking about this in other threads but so far no one's answered. So you feel xCloud will be a separate charge outside of Game Pass? Some people seem to think they'll be integrated and maintain the current Game Pass price structure, but I can't say I've seen anything to corroborate that.

 

[CosmicSea]

Weird narrative some are pushing that Sony is somehow going to get left behind, can't compete...Sounds oddly similar to the fan fiction before last gen launched.

 

[tutomos]

Content, pricing and good enough tech will determine the streaming war, not how many devices are running Androids/iOS or how much Money those companies were making.

When John Kodera was appointed the CEO of SIE, a guy who was behind the networks services business of PlayStation, this should be a hint on how important network business is for Sony. OP is missing the point. Looking at how big a company is to determine success is not the best indicator. Instead look at how specialized it is and how much of its livelihood depends on it.

 

[Raider34]

https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-xbox-netflix-for-games-2019-1?r=DE&IR=T

 

[Wulfer]

So is Sony...why do people always ignore Sony is the only one who even has a streaming service?

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And they'll be cheaper servers than Google and MS offer too right? See you gotta look at the big picture. Sony needs to start working yesterday or merge with someone who can. Nintendo with XBL makes alot of sense and gives Nintendo alot of reach and more game access. Big move from them if they do it?

 

[Swift_Gamer]

And they'll be cheaper servers than Google and MS offer too right? See you gotta look at the big picture. Sony needs to start working yesterday or merge with someone who can. Nintendo with XBL makes alot of sense and gives Nintendo alot of reach and more game access. Big move from them if they do it?

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Again, source that Sony is not investing on this?

 

[CosmicSea]

And they'll be cheaper servers than Google and MS offer too right? See you gotta look at the big picture. Sony needs to start working yesterday or merge with someone who can. Nintendo with XBL makes alot of sense and gives Nintendo alot of reach and more game access. Big move from them if they do it?

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LOL what? Sony will be fine , looking at how big a company is as a whole while ignoring the market realities..sure. Your post is fully fan fiction and wishful thinking.

Sony is clearly investing in this thus PS now, and recent moves like appointing Kodera head of their network...

 

[Vestal]

Source on this? Do you have any inside info on that? I'd love to see the data that proves that Sony will not be able to compete. C'mon give me some source.

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Its simply economics and the cost of cloud services. Microsoft/Google/Amazon own their own Cloud infrastructure, which means they can spread out the cost of their Gaming Streaming with the rest of their Cloud business. They can undercut the price of the competition because they won't be bogged down by the overhead of having to rent Cloud space from a Cloud provider.

 

[CosmicSea]

Its simply economics and the cost of cloud services. Microsoft/Google/Amazon own their own Cloud infrastructure, which means they can spread out the cost of their Gaming Streaming with the rest of their Cloud business. They can undercut the price of the competition because they won't be bogged down by the overhead of having to rent Cloud space from a Cloud provider.

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Ms can under cut now why don't they then??? This is not how business works.... nothing you are posting is grounded in any logical or reasoned. were is your Source then if economics are Simple?

 

[Swift_Gamer]

Its simply economics and the cost of cloud services. Microsoft/Google/Amazon own their own Cloud infrastructure, which means they can spread out the cost of their Gaming Streaming with the rest of their Cloud business. They can undercut the price of the competition because they won't be bogged down by the overhead of having to rent Cloud space from a Cloud provider.

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Where is that source that Sony is not investing on this? Do you have it? Yes or no?

 

[Vestal]

Ms can under cut now why don't they then??? This is not how business works.... nothing you are posting is grounded in any logical or reasoned. were is your Source then if economics are Simple?

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Microsoft does not currently provide a Streaming Gaming service.

Where is that source that Sony is not investing on this? Do you have it? Yes or no?

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Is Sony a Cloud service provider? No?

Theres your answer.

 

[Swift_Gamer]

C'mon people, stop wishing for Sony to fail, it's not going to happen.

 

[dom]

Dupe post

 

[CosmicSea]

Microsoft does not currently provide a Streaming Gaming service.


Is Sony a Cloud service provider? No?

Theres your answer.

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You never answered anything lol. fan fiction the thread, out of this craziness.

 

[Swift_Gamer]

Microsoft does not currently provide a Streaming Gaming service.


Is Sony a Cloud service provider? No?

Theres your answer.

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Sony doesn't need to be.

 

[LinktothePastGOAT]

Ninja Theory and Obsidian are good acquisition choices, and The Initiative seems like it could be the next big "prestige" studio like Naughty Dog and Insomniac. I'd keep a close eye on Microsoft's first party studios next generation. They're rearing up for a big comeback.

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If you think Sony is going to allow that...lol

 

[Anthony Hopkins]

I've been asking about this in other threads but so far no one's answered. So you feel xCloud will be a separate charge outside of Game Pass? Some people seem to think they'll be integrated and maintain the current Game Pass price structure, but I can't say I've seen anything to corroborate that.

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I think you will be able to get Xcloud on its own which will let you play all your xbox content for like $12.99 a month.
And you can get Xcloud + gamepass for $19.99 a month.

 

[Mington]

So is Sony...why do people always ignore Sony is the only one who even has a streaming service?

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Laydens comments recently tells me they massively underestimate how popular streaming is and how fast it's going to take over next gen.

Sony are acting way too slow and should be doing a lot more

 

[Vestal]

You never answered anything lol. fan fiction the thread, out of this craziness.

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What part of Sony not being a Cloud service provider did you not understand? I mean its pretty public that they are not.

Renting cloud infrastructure is a lot more costly than using your own infrastructure that you can load balance out with the rest of the services you provide.

 

[CosmicSea]

Laydens comments recently tells me they massively underestimate how popular streaming is and how fast it's going to take over next gen.

Sony are acting way too slow and should be doing a lot more

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Acting too slow..only one with a streaming service for years...seems legit.

What part of Sony not being a Cloud service provider did you not understand? I mean its pretty public that they are not.

Renting cloud infrastructure is a lot more costly than using your own infrastructure that you can load balance out with the rest of the services you provide.

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None of this proves any of your outlandish claims....MS was never a hard war provider at once upon a time too..Sony will be fine. They are not the underdogs you want them to be.

 

[dom]

Laydens comments recently tells me they massively underestimate how popular streaming is and how fast it's going to take over next gen.

Sony are acting way too slow and should be doing a lot more

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Layden's comments are similar to that of Phil Spencer's. Tell me that one?

 

[CosmicSea]

Layden's comments are similar to that of Phil Spencer's. Tell me that one?

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Shh that ruins the narrative.....

 

[Swift_Gamer]

Laydens comments recently tells me they massively underestimate how popular streaming is and how fast it's going to take over next gen.

Sony are acting way too slow and should be doing a lot more

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Do they? PS now has 70 million active monthly users. Do you really believe they're underestimating this?
This was in 2017
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/psn-now-has-70m-monthly-active-users-ps-plus-hits-/1100-6450250/

 

[Wulfer]

Microsoft's way of streaming is pretty much like how Sony is doing it right now. It needs dedicated hardware. Sony uses PS3/PS4 hardware while Microsoft will use XB1 hardware.

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It was that way. Why do you think MS has been QUICKLY moving to cross-play protocols, coding and hardware change solutions? What is Xbox hardware when Windows can run it too??? See MS has a larger hardware user base by default (without android and now they have that too). Then add Nintendo Switch too if XBL heads there soon.

 

[Mington]

Acting too slow..only one with a streaming service for years...seems legit.



None of this proves any of your outlandish claims....MS was never a hard war provider at once upon a time too..Sony will be fine. They are not the underdogs you want them to be.

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And they have done nothing to bolster PS Now, the service is like an afterthought to them.

No advertising, no investment, no exclusives to take advantage of the service.

 

[itchi]

Microsoft's way of streaming is pretty much like how Sony is doing it right now. It needs dedicated hardware. Sony uses PS3/PS4 hardware while Microsoft will use XB1 hardware.

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Sure but the current version is only a beta we will see what happens when the nextgen version launches.

Also there is no evidence that cloud gaming is going to replace console gaming in the next decade. Sure Microsoft and co could end up making significantly more revenue from gaming than Sony but I don't see why Sony's current business would shrink.

 

[Swift_Gamer]

It was that way. Why do you think MS has been QUICKLY moving to cross-play protocols, coding and hardware change solutions? What is Xbox hardware when Windows can run it too??? See MS has a larger hardware user base by default (without android and now they have that too). Then add Nintendo Switch too if XBL heads there soon.

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Source that Nintendo will fuse with XBL?

 

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[Swift_Gamer]

And they have done nothing to bolster PS Now, the service is like an afterthought to them.

No advertising, no investment, no exclusives to take advantage of the service.

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Source on the lack of investment? Source on the lack of advertising?

 

[CosmicSea]

And they have done nothing to bolster PS Now, the service is like an afterthought to them.

No advertising, no investment, no exclusives to take advantage of the service.

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They literally added Downloads and opened in new countries in the last few months
It has over 800 games...

No Investment? Do yuo guys have a source that sony is not investing despite making millions every year in it?
How is spreading this mis-information even allowed?

Ok if you say so. Microsoft had a cultural change under Nadella, taking the company all in on Azure and PaaS. Its a vision that appears to be paying off in spades, and has got them in the right place for the next decade in Technology.

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Cultural change <> reality..... You are just making up stuff that may or may not happen in the future...It's sily.

 

[Vestal]

Acting too slow..only one with a streaming service for years...seems legit.



None of this proves any of your outlandish claims....MS was never a hard war provider at once upon a time too..Sony will be fine. They are not the underdogs you want them to be.

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Ok if you say so. Microsoft had a cultural change under Nadella, taking the company all in on Azure and PaaS. Its a vision that appears to be paying off in spades, and has got them in the right place for the next decade in Technology.

 

[Brix]

Laydens comments recently tells me they massively underestimate how popular streaming is and how fast it's going to take over next gen.

Sony are acting way too slow and should be doing a lot more

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What? I'm going to need some receipts to this. Seems you know a lot about Sony's game streaming plans. I guess PS Now doesn't exist and it isn't working well for Sony. The subscriber count tells a different story.

https://twinfinite.net/2018/11/last...y-than-ea-access-and-xbox-game-pass-combined/

 

[Vestal]

Do they? PS now has 70 million active monthly users. Do you really believe they're underestimating this?
This was in 2017
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/psn-now-has-70m-monthly-active-users-ps-plus-hits-/1100-6450250/

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Umm your source does not say that...

 

[Mington]

Source on the lack of investment? Source on the lack of advertising?

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They are not building thier own cloud infrastructure, which will take investment.

The advertising is how people keep forgetting about PS Now even though the service has been around for a while.