Is there any actual evidence of these supposed hate campaigns besides the tweets of a former ERA moderator?
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Its been over a year of EGS exclusives. Nothing happened and we're still playing games.
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Is there any actual evidence of these supposed hate campaigns besides the tweets of a former ERA moderator?
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I'm not mentioning anyone in specific.
We can just do better if something like this ever happens again.
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Like my last post, im not mentioning specifics.
I just know what happened to some of my friends.
I was going by this reply you made earlier in the thread:
In response to
Which makes it look like the thread was made in response to those tweets.
And I'm calling out your bullshit, especially for this part:
"Some people have even gone as far as using racism and bigotry in the name of what was basically a silly platform war that ended in nothing. We even had a mod harassed out of their position.
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You're a mod, right ? You have an entire access to my post history. My only other Era related discord also had ERA mods on it.
I've been named. And you've been making an allusion to BronsonLee.
Then I'm waiting. If indeed, I had a racist, harassing behaviour and made death threats, then show me the receipt and then ban me.
Because if those receipts indeed exist and you don't, that means you approve them.
Or maybe it's bullshit indeed and what you're doing right now is completly fucked up.
You aren't mentioning anyone specific but, posting a twitter post of someone mentioning names of people posting in this very thread for harrassment is pretty close
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The Shenmue stuff sucks and I hope no company tries to pull something like that again.
I've done the monopoly dance with people on this website. Cited definitions, history, legal consequence, current examples... it was fruitless. When they're motivated to hate something, it's impossible to talk them out of their belief in the falsehoods they author to justify their feelings.
Jesus.
He made jokes about people's stances on EGS and now he's lying about the death threats and harassment he received lol.
Amazing.
Then airing this all out in a thread seems to be an extremely poorly thought out idea AT BEST, and some sort of blame game directed at those who dared be vocal about their opposition to Epic's tactics at worst. If this thread was made by a normal poster it would absolutely have been locked by now.
Show me the receipts.
WHEN did I send death threats or harassed that poster ?
Yes, which said poster presented to an admin
By the way, while yall feel real in the mood to defend some of these people: just casually gonna mention one here has already created a burner account specifically to keep harassing the poster who actively said he was trying to flee/avoid more abuse from him. That's the kind of behavior being endorsed/enabled
You have posted in response to a tweet containing the names of certain members which heavily deny the accusations (which may or may not be right, i don't know). If there was actual wrongdoing surely you and the people on the staff team will take action?
Epic's anti-consumer policies are still a big issue for PC gaming because they compromise one of the platform's core pillars, the customer's freedom of choice. Epic's impact on the platform ended up being rather anemic so far because of the PC gaming community's strong and unified response against those practices. We are experiencing a gaming age in which all sorts of walls are being torn down, from cross-save and cross-play to Microsoft and soon maybe Sony releasing their games on PC. Epic's attempt at becoming relevant in the PC digital distribution space seems like a relic from the past in that context and it should be rejected so that the company can divert its funds to compete in an actually consumer-friendly way, through improving its service and perhaps producing original content. Until that happens, it is important for the PC gaming community to keep the pressure on Epic by protesting against their business practices and not supporting them with purchases through the Epic Games Store as much as possible.
Someone having the opinion that EGS is "just a launcher" is fine by itself, it's not an issue. It becomes an issue when that personal opinion is being projected onto others as a fact so that they then have to explain and defend their own position that the service being used can have a significant effect on the quality of the experience of playing a game. That process, when repeated multiple times throughout a thread, effectively grinds meaningful discussion to a halt because the thread becomes an ouroboros of people posting "I don't understand why people are complaining, it's just another launcher" and others explaining for the umpteenth time what the issues with EGS are. I think that the moderators settled on treating the "just another launcher" posts as trolling after a while because after so many months of talking about EGS it could be reasonably assumed that most users should have at least a general idea of why EGS isn't just another launcher for some.
As for the tweet linked a couple of pages back, I'm not sure if it's appropriate to respond here. I'll just say that my posting history is open for everyone to see, I give my full permission to administrators and moderators to access and read my private messages on the site if they want to investigate anything and I will gladly provide my social media details so that it can be proven that I never contacted that person off-site on any other platform. Beyond that there's really nothing more to say on the matter.
Someone having the opinion that EGS is "just a launcher" is fine by itself, it's not an issue. It becomes an issue when that personal opinion is being projected onto others as a fact so that they then have to explain and defend their own position that the service being used can have a significant effect on the quality of the experience of playing a game. That process, when repeated multiple times throughout a thread, effectively grinds meaningful discussion to a halt because the thread becomes an ouroboros of people posting "I don't understand why people are complaining, it's just another launcher" and others explaining for the umpteenth time what the issues with EGS are. I think that the moderators settled on treating the "just another launcher" posts as trolling after a while because after so many months of talking about EGS it could be reasonably assumed that most users should have at least a general idea of why EGS isn't just another launcher for some.
As for the tweet linked a couple of pages back, I'm not sure if it's appropriate to respond here. I'll just say that my posting history is open for everyone to see, I give my full permission to administrators and moderators to access and read my private messages on the site if they want to investigate anything and I will gladly provide my social media details so that it can be proven that I never contacted that person off-site on any other platform. Beyond that there's really nothing more to say on the matter.
HOLY SHIT.
I'm the harasser ?
The guy is literally THROWING MY NAME.
I created an account to ask for receipts. I sent literally ONE tweet.
Show the evidences or shut the fuck up.
And yes, I created a burner account because I wont post with my name over a tweet accusing me of something without any proof.
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I dont think I ever posted anyones twitter. I'm not moderating this thread for obvious reasons so idk what more to say on this.
True. Steam doing the same would have been just as anti-consumer though. How many of the people here fighting for consumer rights would have cared?
Personally I don't like Steam that much so I said I didn't really care about another launcher and don't think its a big issue. Had like 40 replies calling me out in 10 minutes, then got banned for trolling.
..Wait what?
Are people supposed to just take being accused of something really serious like that in stride? The linked tweet is literally one post asking for receipts
That tweet isn't harassment...
If it's true, receipts are posted, end of discussion. If not true Ghost Trick would be owed an apology. Not that hard of a thing to do.
This thread is really fucked up.
Yeah, I need to see some receipts here. Most of the people he mentions don't even get personal during EGS arguments.
Nobody is endorsing or enabling anything, I would just expect a thread created by a moderator to contain some sort of actual evidence of harassment besides a tweet?
If the harassment happened AND ERA admins were presented with it AND chose to do nothing, then ERA has some absolutely insane issues.
User Banned (3 Days): Inflammatory point of comparison
It's about ethics in game launchers. And some just won't let their anger die and like to spread their gospel of terror. Oh, the horror.
This is a fucking mess, what is going on here? Why is this thread open?
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How about we dont harass people over liking something like EGS is the entire point of this thread, I even said I think EGS is inferior to steam in every single way, but people should be free to use it if they want.
I'm not airing anything, I just have an opinion.
I have no idea what this post means or the intentions behind it.
...I don't know the truth of what's going on between all the parties here, but this has devolved into a real shitshow and the thread just seems really counter-productive at this point. Probably best to sort out all of this in private.
No one chose Epic to be a competitor, they chose themselves and told us they are the new competitor. We are also not supposed to complain about it? The toxic nature around internet discourse is one issue but the pushback against EGS for many reasons is understandable.
Someone's going to have to explain to me what's going on as well. I've read a few threads from time to time and if anything, I've seen the PC community drastically get smaller each time especially during the EGS launch period.
Yeah this as well.
Nah, you clearly know what you're doing. Your behaviour is completly transparent. I could've give you the benefit of the doubt. But the timing is just too perfect.
That tweet popping out and you making a thread about how "a mod got racist harassement and death threats".
Then again: you're a mod:
If said evidence exist, ban me.
if not, maybe you should stop.
no. i think it does speak to a real difference. I've been critical of EGS, but I did not feel attacked by this post.
i didn't say you did use the word pro-consumer. but it was the motto of the anti-EGS movement. and let us not pretend that, as in the quote directly below, you have not used the "listen to consumers" canard in the past. just because people say they "want better for themselves" does not mean the things they scream are justified. sometimes, what someone things is better for themself is not actually the best course of action. here's that quote:
moving on:
please cite a specific quote where he "shits on people" for having a different opinion, rather than for things like harassment, death threats or bullying.
it's not mockery and it's not an exaggeration. the tone of my post was completely genuine and there is no irony intended. you said that the OP was "stirring up bad feelings." bad feelings and emotional pain are the same thing. even if a pain is relatively mild, it's still pain. and it's very clear to me that some people do feel pain over this storefront issue. i don't understand that the reason why they feel that way, but I think it's interesting and worth reflecting on.
i thought the tone was fairly gentle, actually. it's not as if the OP is unwilling to listen or is shutting out reasonable dissent. i suppose it could come across as a lecture, but i don't think your characterization is fair.
please cite, via quotation, a specific example of where the OP said people should stay silent. that's not how I read the post at all. i see the OP saying that the roof has not fallen, so to speak, and that the harassment and hatred some people received were wrong. if the OP said, at any point, that people should not be allowed to voice their opinion if it's critical to EGS and conveyed in a reasonable way, I must have missed it.
what? i came into the thread because I wanted to read it, and I responded to your post because I thought it was unusual and I disagreed with it.
i know you were unhappy about any suggestion that some of your arguments are based on projection, but I genuinely don't understand any other explanation for this statement. i think i'm being perfectly calm and measured about this. if you really think very mild disagreement makes me view you as some kind of enemy combatant, I don't know what to say to you. i'm not fighting, i'm responding. this isn't a war, it's a conversation. this specific section of your post is deeply confusing to me
Jokes is an interesting way to put it. Anyway, This is two way street but its funny how you glossed over that he is calling them racist and they are stalking him on a public forum with no evidence but he somehow isn't bullying. As if calling someone a racist is no big deal.
Not mentioning specifics when that Bronson tweet is out there is kind of meaningless isn't it? It's not hard to connect the dots on why you made this thread.
I guess when I get harassed as a result of Bronson's accusations your conscience is clear because you didn't target anyone specifically?
You are just the enabler.
Good stuff, really top notch moderation.
It's not perfect but you can add www.resetera.com##[data-author=USERNAME] to your ad blocker and it'll hide their posts, you'll still see people that quote them though,
Embarrassing thread from a moderator in all honesty, what the hell does this accomplish exactly besides stirring up shit?
I wasn't replying to posts after the first post, I was just stating my feelings about EGS and PC in general. So far so good for me. I even tried Fortnite again. Though I've always been using EGS before all this even happened. I played Paragon frequently as one of my go to games, and I owned Shadow Complex when it came out on what seemed like the Unreal Engine Store.
I'm just so used to using standalone game launchers as well. Final Fantasy and Final XI, and Fantasy XIV had their own launchers even though they were made by the same company. Emulators, other MMOs, etc. I've been conditioned for this.
When I first got the Steam Controller I didn't realize it was made to depend on Steam running all the time. I then regretted buying it, but thanks to PC being PC there was ways around it, and now there are ways to use it without Steam running. It's my favorite controller and I manage to play any game with it no matter what DRM it uses, or what store it requires to be loaded (even Game Pass). EGS is such a breeze with Steam Controller because most of it's games are DRM free, and that's pretty awesome considering Twitch Games, and GOG are the next ones up for being more DRM free from what I've noticed.
I assume (and to be fair, I'm not sure either) that what the person you quoted meant was in regards to Epic 'attempting' to create a walled garden taken to an extreme conclusion.
That, and/or he's referencing the people who, jokingly/trollingly or not, claim Steam has one.
...We're relying on 'whataboutism' hypotheticals as a basis for an argument, now?
While Steam would probably have 'more' defenders given its history of building itself as a consumer-friendly storefront (of which Epic decidedly does NOT have), I've no doubt there would still be enraged people.
By no means am I saying that ban was appropriate, but, theoretically, if people were posting detailed/lengthy explanations on why they disagreed with that stance, and you come in late to the discussion and just repeat what has already been used as an easy drive-by/troll....could you not see how it would come across that way?
I'd say it's pretty straight forward?
The other poster asked if you/the other staff have receipts of the accused users - and if so, why hasn't there been anything done about it?
Pretty sure I'm either on ignore or the OP is just being highly selective, so I'm not sure why I'm bothering, lol
This and this, I make no apologies for my stance against brazen money hatting of 3rd party content on an open platform
Then you should call your fellow mods/admins to come over and do something about this thread, since apparently they're all sleeping/working/whatever.
This is a hell of a thread but at least this post clued me in that Hades was on Steam now. I had missed that news. Still had Steam credit from christmas and caught Hades on the mid-week sale. Rad!
I am not sure that is harrasing, and I am not sure creating an account that says his name in era and ERA is considered a burner account as everyone knows who that would be (unless you really want people to use their real name, which then opens up other bad stuff).
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I have complained about it and still do, its a bare ass launcher that does the bare min.
The response its got in the past year is silly and disproportionate, not even touching the toxic campaigns ive seen.
This thread is embarrassing, era was supposed to be a site founded on better moderation than the old place ended up with.
You also seem to be saying that a member of this forum is a racist harasser and are ignoring their pleas of innocence.
If the harassment happened and the moderation staff can prove it then those posters should have been banned. If it didn't happen or you can't prove that it did then the moderation staff shouldn't be making threads and posts like this.
You also seem to be saying that a member of this forum is a racist harasser and are ignoring their pleas of innocence.
Yeah, not mentioning anyone in specific, just posting about an image that does mention specific posters.
If the harassment happened and the moderation staff can prove it then those posters should have been banned. If it didn't happen or you can't prove that it did then the moderation staff shouldn't be making threads and posts like this.
And still that doesn't invalidate the legitimate criticisms of the bad practices on display.
Imagine if any opinion could be dismissed because it's shared in some part with a bad person.
That's not a good way to argue anything.
Show me the toxic campaign. And stop hiding your head in the sand.
You know what you're doing. And I'm not letting those terrible accusations fly by.
This might be 2Bee's goodbye. They posted this right before this thread.
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