All of Italy is placed under lockdown conditions until April 3 because of COVID-19

Gabe · Mar 7, 2020

Nintenleo said:
I work as a journalist here in Italy and some officials during the day already discussed in public the high chance of a regional lockdown. Then, the document was leaked by local institutions. But everything was quite obvious since this morning, apart from some areas outside Lombardia that are going to be considered "red" (like Pesaro, where the numbers are climbing up and they probably want to avoid a situation similar to Bergamo or Lodi).

Fellow italian journo here, i can confirm all of this. The draft has been making the rounds in ANSA agency since last night.
Today at the Protezione Civile press conference some collegues started pressing, at this point it was obvious they had to say something today due to the amount of discussion regarding said measures.

UltraMagnus · Mar 7, 2020

Think part of the thinking they have is that they are going to try and salvage the tourist season for late May/June/July/August, which is the high part of the tourism season and ride out March with extreme measures. The Italian economy is obviously massively reliant on tourism.

johancruijff · Mar 7, 2020

Has already been said that this "decree" was a draft, that has leaked before being ratified and now people are fleeing in mass those red zones?

wenis · Mar 7, 2020

What a fuck up. If a major US city were to attempt this I'd reckon the same thing would happen.

as a citizen of a major us city, I'm bunkering down.

345 · Mar 7, 2020

UltraMagnus said:
Think part of the thinking they have is that they are going to try and salvage the tourist season for late May/June/July/August, which is the high part of the tourism season and ride out March with extreme measures. The Italian economy is obviously massively reliant on tourism.

hoping this is the case and more importantly that it works. planning to go there on honeymoon in july :/

Maquiladora · Mar 8, 2020

johancruijff said:
Has already been said that this "decree" was a draft, that has leaked before being ratified and now people are fleeing in mass those red zones?

The decree has now been approved.

iamaustrian · Mar 8, 2020

So there are 14 provinces instead of 11 on lock down now?

what are the additional provinces? I can't find shit online.

Dany1899 · Mar 8, 2020

The decree is official: Lombardia and 14 other provinces are in virtual lockdown until April 3

Coronavirus, il governo 'chiude' la Lombardia e 14 province: "Cambiare lo stile di vita"

Fino al 3 aprile divieto di uscita ed entrata per le aree coinvolte. La stretta che riguarda direttamente circa 16 milioni di cittadini decisa nella notte dopo…

www.repubblica.it

Provinces that are red zones are :
Modena, Parma, Piacenza, Reggio Emilia, Rimini, Pesaro e Urbino, Venezia, Padova, Treviso, Asti, Alessandria, Novara, Vercelli and Verbano Cusio Ossola

Text of the decree (in Italian):

https://static.gedidigital.it/repubblica/pdf/2020/cronaca/bozza.pdf

Maquiladora · Mar 8, 2020

iamaustrian said:
So there are 14 provinces instead of 11 on lock down now?

what are the additional provinces? I can't find shit online.

It's a huge increase. Around 50,000 people were locked down before. Now it's up to 16 millions.

iamaustrian · Mar 8, 2020

Maquiladora said:
It's a huge increase. Around 50,000 people were locked down before. Now it's up to 16 millions.

I mean that they locked down 3 additional provinces since yesterday. this map shows just the 11 original provinces. see dany1899 post above

edit: also the 50.000 lock down was the very first lock down 2 weeks ago.

@ dany1899
thank you

Deleted member 2254 · Mar 8, 2020

Yep, there's 3 additional provinces in. Including where I live. Welp, it's gonna be quite a ride.

Jegriva · Mar 8, 2020

People can move in and out if they work outside or inside the red zone, fortunately.

fieldafar · Mar 8, 2020

I have an aunt who lives in northern Italy, but it looks like her region of Vicenza hasn't been put into lockdown.

Annatar86 · Mar 8, 2020

BasilZero said:
For how long? Supplies are gonna get low quick.

The supply chain will still be operational iirc.

iamaustrian · Mar 8, 2020

Jegriva said:
People can move on and out if they work outside or inside the red zone, fortunately.

Source?
My dad's company is in fano and he is wondering if he can go there at all. He is foreigner though.
No one gives him any infos.

Dany1899 · Mar 8, 2020

iamaustrian said:
Source?
My dad's company is in fano and he is wondering if he can go there at all. He is foreigner though.
No one gives him any infos.

In the official decree there is the following point:

evitare ogni spostamento alle persone fisiche in entrata e in uscita dai territori di cui al presente articolo, nonché all'interno dei medesimi territori, salvo che per gli spostamenti motivati da comprovate esigenze lavorative o situazioni di necessità, ovvero spostamenti per motivi di salute

avoid any movement to enter and leave the territories referred to in this article, as well as within the same territories, except for movements motivated by proven work needs or situations of necessity, or movements for health reasons

It is not clear what "proven work needs" mean, though.

Deleted member 2254 · Mar 8, 2020

Dany1899 said:
In the official decree there is the following points:

It is not clear what "proven work needs" mean, though.

Yup, though I suppose each company will decide based on their invididual situation whether it makes more sense to continue or not.

Jegriva · Mar 8, 2020

iamaustrian said:
Source?
My dad's company is in fano and he is wondering if he can go there at all. He is foreigner though.
No one gives him any infos.

Il Sole 24 Ore, not a free source I can copy here.

Psychotext · Mar 8, 2020

I guess Ferrari can still get out and spread it around the F1 paddock then!

Arkanim94 · Mar 8, 2020

nekkid · Mar 8, 2020

Ordered a T-shirt which was sent out of Milan yesterday and arrives today. Needless to say I'm surprised there aren't any delays.

And I noticed today that our work put a job posting for Lombardy on LinkedIn yesterday - good timing!

watkinzez · Mar 8, 2020

I was expecting flights to the areas in lockdown would be cancelled, but looking at a flight tracker right now, that clearly isn't the case. Are they only enforcing this on residents or something?

sfortunato · Mar 8, 2020

Dany1899 said:
It is not clear what "proven work needs" mean, though.

It means that if you work in another place you can travel to go there.

Jegriva · Mar 8, 2020

Dany1899 said:
In the official decree there is the following point:

It is not clear what "proven work needs" mean, though.

I think it's "I am going to work because my boss said so", or "If I don't go to work bad things happen". If you are a "libero professionista" and your work is not a vital service, maybe you can just stay home.

Mandos · Mar 8, 2020

Titik said:
Yup.

Once the hysteria reaches the US West Coast (if it hasn't done so already) then we are pretty much overdrive into a global recession. That would arguably kill a lot more people.

I mean the cruise ship I was on was kept from Debarking for a full day despite being in port and having no one with symptoms because a woman was pulled off yesterday for a critical medical condition despite having zero symptoms so they tested her. The whole thing was a joke as they didn't put us on the ship on lockdown and for 4 hours we were all in close quarters and couldn't return to our rooms.
Then again O.C./LA area have been getting more hysterical and paranoid for the last two weeks

Lishi · Mar 8, 2020

Nivash said:
This isn't China though. I'm not sure anyone knows how people will react if this drags on. People in a democracy isn't as submissive as those in authoritarian states and the police forces have nowhere the same powers. Which are good things, obviously. But it also means that measures like this might not be manageable.

Stupid people will try to bypass the containment, that is human nature and happened also in China, but i lived 30 years in Italy, people will not riot.

The same i guess in Europe and the sensible part of US.

Lishi · Mar 8, 2020

Jegriva said:
People can move in and out if they work outside or inside the red zone, fortunately.

You might as well not have any distinction between the provice of Bologna and Modena then, the amount of commuter between the 2 province is huge.

Philippo · Mar 8, 2020

I'm from Milan and this is all sorts of crazy.

I know it's dumb, but amidst all of this I've had a job interview for a position overseas, and I'm wondering if this kind of news will impact the company's decision to hire someone from such a locked down zone.

Arkanim94 said:

Bel Paese dei Meme.

SwampBastard · Mar 8, 2020

I can't believe how quickly all of this has escalated. My wife and I are scheduled to go to Amalfi at the end of April. At this point I will be shocked if we get to go.

brandnewcardock · Mar 8, 2020

My flight to Venice still isn't canceled for early April. How is that possible?

Westbahnhof · Mar 8, 2020

brandnewcardock said:
My flight to Venice still isn't canceled for early April. How is that possible?

I don't think they're forbidding people from entering these places. Like it says above:
" avoid any movement to enter and leave the territories referred to in this article, as well as within the same territories, except for movements motivated by proven work needs or situations of necessity, or movements for health reasons "
Why would they cancel the flight under those rules?

KingSnake · Mar 8, 2020

With that much air and land traffic still going in and out of these region this isn't much of a lockdown right now. It's really half-assed and I'm not sure it will slow down the virus like this.

Murfield · Mar 8, 2020

Are places of work being closed down as well?

Jegriva · Mar 8, 2020

Murfield said:
Are places of work being closed down as well?

not compulsoryly. people are still free to go to work, it's not a Civil War.

Kikujiro · Mar 8, 2020

Philippo said:
I'm from Milan and this is all sorts of crazy.

I know it's dumb, but amidst all of this I've had a job interview for a position overseas, and I'm wondering if this kind of news will impact the company's decision to hire someone from such a locked down zone.

I wouldn't worry, this is soon going to be a worldwide problem. Every country is going to deal with this.

KingSnake said:
With that much air and land traffic still going in and out of these region this isn't much of a lockdown right now. It's really half-assed and I'm not sure it will slow down the virus like this.

This is the problem, while there's a lockdown it still feels half-assed. The problem is that in a Western democracy you can't do something like what the Chinese government did in Wuhan, you just can't. The virus is already all around Italy (they should've banned traveling from those regions sooner), the other regions need to act right now, closing gyms and movie theaters are not enough, yes it's going to be rough for the economy, but the faster you contain the virus the faster you can restart again (see China). The only "good" news is that since there are countless of untested positive people it means that the mortality rate should be much lower than what it is right now.

Gabe · Mar 8, 2020

IMPORTANT NEWS:

Coronavirus a Napoli, pazienti gravi trattati con farmaco anti-artrite

Grazie ad una collaborazione tra l’Azienda Ospedaliera dei Colli e Istituto Nazionale Tumori Irccs Fondazione Pascale, due pazienti affetti da polmonite severa Covid 19 sono stati trattati con...

www.ilmattino.it

Press Release published by Il Mattino (italian newspaper)

Very promising results have been observed in Italy, especially in sever cases thanks to an off label medicine already in the first 24 hours after infusion. The same medicine has showed good results also in 21 chinese patients. The protocol does not interfere with normal treatment.

We might actually be on the way to cure this fucking thing.

metalslimer · Mar 8, 2020

Gabe said:
IMPORTANT NEWS:

Coronavirus a Napoli, pazienti gravi trattati con farmaco anti-artrite

Grazie ad una collaborazione tra l’Azienda Ospedaliera dei Colli e Istituto Nazionale Tumori Irccs Fondazione Pascale, due pazienti affetti da polmonite severa Covid 19 sono stati trattati con...

www.ilmattino.it

Press Release published by Il Mattino (italian newspaper)

Very promising results have been observed in Italy, especially in sever cases thanks to an off label medicine already in the first 24 hours after infusion. The same medicine has showed good results also in 21 chinese patients. The protocol does not interfere with normal treatment.

We might actually be on the way to cure this fucking thing.

That's not a cure. That medication will reduce the effect of inflammation but it does not eliminate the virus. But yes any treatments news is good

Gabe · Mar 8, 2020

metalslimer said:
That's not a cure. That medication will reduce the effect of inflammation but it does not eliminate the virus. But yes any treatments news is good

Iflamation in the lungs is the worst part of this virus along with kidney failure so...yes, i'd say it's excellent news for the treatment as a whole, given this doesn't interfere with antivirals.

Vamphuntr · Mar 8, 2020

Gabe said:
IMPORTANT NEWS:

Coronavirus a Napoli, pazienti gravi trattati con farmaco anti-artrite

Grazie ad una collaborazione tra l’Azienda Ospedaliera dei Colli e Istituto Nazionale Tumori Irccs Fondazione Pascale, due pazienti affetti da polmonite severa Covid 19 sono stati trattati con...

www.ilmattino.it

Press Release published by Il Mattino (italian newspaper)

Very promising results have been observed in Italy, especially in sever cases thanks to an off label medicine already in the first 24 hours after infusion. The same medicine has showed good results also in 21 chinese patients. The protocol does not interfere with normal treatment.

We might actually be on the way to cure this fucking thing.

...
It's not a cure it simply helps with inflammation in this case this medication was devised mainly for PAR and autoimmune diseases. Moreover monoclonal antibodies are extremely costly and not affordable worldwide.

Gabe · Mar 8, 2020

Vamphuntr said:
...
It's not a cure it simply helps with inflammation in this case this medication was devised mainly for PAR and autoimmune diseases. Moreover monoclonal antibodies are extremely costly and not affordable worldwide.

I guess i wasn't clear enough: i never said THIS IS THE CURE (multiple people felt the need to point out that "this isn't a cure!!!") ^_^''
The fact is that lung inflamation and kidney failure are the worst parts of this virus. Patients are already being treated with antivirals, and keeping the inflamation in check in severe cases leads to potentially MUCH better treatment.

Arkanim94 · Mar 9, 2020

BlinkBlank · Mar 9, 2020

sfortunato said:
I teach in the university in Bologna and it might well be that open-door lectures will be suspended at least until June. Only online lectures from now onwards.

This is crazy unprecedented. I wonder what the next week's will look like as it seems like the restrictions are going to need to ramp up unless the cases / deaths start to level off.

Philippo · Mar 9, 2020

This is the first time i work from home, it's so weird lol

Oliver James · Mar 9, 2020

So how does the food supply work then? How will they get their food? Seems like people will cluster when there's food available then it'll likely just spread the disease inside to more people.

Arkanim94 · Mar 9, 2020

Oliver James said:
So how does the food supply work then? How will they get their food? Seems like people will cluster when there's food available then it'll likely just spread the disease inside to more people.

market and everything else are regularly refurnished, it isn't time of war ffs.

sfortunato · Mar 9, 2020

WickedCobra03 said:
This is crazy unprecedented. I wonder what the next week's will look like as it seems like the restrictions are going to need to ramp up unless the cases / deaths start to level off.

Yep.

It's a scenario I've never experienced.

My town is also pretty empty right now.

Cheapstare · Mar 9, 2020

New presser with the prime minister in 10-15 minutes. The lockdown could be extended to the entire country.

Edit: it's on right now, new measures include:
- lockdown extended to the entire country
- movement limited to work, necessity or emergency
- no assembling in public places in any case

Dany1899 · Mar 9, 2020

Cheapstare said:
New presser with the prime minister in 10-15 minutes. The lockdown could be extended to the entire country.

Press conference has already started.
According to what other people said, the lockdown will be really extended to the entire country.

Dany1899 · Mar 9, 2020

Official: lockdown (containment) conditions have been extended to the whole Italy

Santerestil · Mar 9, 2020

Welp, Italy is done.

Now wait a month and the rest of Europe will be the same.

All of Italy is placed under lockdown conditions until April 3 because of COVID-19

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