But...Chrono Trigger is the Chrono Trigger of JRPGsXenogears is the Chono Trigger of JRPGs! While Xenosaga is the Parasite Eve 2 of Survival Horror games.
But...Chrono Trigger is the Chrono Trigger of JRPGsXenogears is the Chono Trigger of JRPGs! While Xenosaga is the Parasite Eve 2 of Survival Horror games.
Hahaha this is some "Spider-Man pointing at Spider-Man" shit.Xenogears is mostly liked by old people that just can't let go.
Yeah, I've got to agree with this. If there's one thing Saga did better than Gears it was treating its cast more equally. Ziggy and Jin atleast had some closure and were relevant in Saga 3, Rico pretty much has no arc once Kislev is done in Gears. The whole plot point with him being the Kaiser's son is never even mentioned again.I feel like people really oversell how much Gears cast is better than Saga. Outside of Fei and Elly, most characters are really just there once you are done with their arcs and even Citan mostly just serves as exposition central. Bart is fine. Ironically Margie is way better developed than characters like Rico or Emeralda. The game does have two fantastic leads and a great cast of villains, but that's a series stable except maybe XB1.
In comparison even Jin (Who is in the series for 2 games) and Ziggy who are Saga two least developed characters are way ahead in development compared to pretty much anyone in the cast of Gears except Fei and Elly.
Characters, character development, story, soundtrack, artstyle, etc. The list is long. Xenogears is way better.
I've honestly never had a complaint about cutscene length
Can't say, idiots never bothered releasing either in Europe...
Seriously, I want to have them so badly, but fuck me is Saga III crazy expensive :( [/spoilers]
Xenosaga is one of my favorite RPG trilogies. Definitely give it a go if you're interestedI wish I had played Xenogears when it came out. I gave the game 5 tries but just couldn't get into it. :(
Hearing that Saga is regarded as lesser than Gears is really disappointing.
Playing and loving Xenoblade 2 had got me interested in Xenosaga but I dunno now...
I think if you want a space opera like story, saga is something to check out. I will fully admit that it has it's weaknesses, but I think as a whole it's a pretty great series. Honestly, looking at some of the things said in the thread in regards to saga, feels like a bunch of hot takes.I wish I had played Xenogears when it came out. I gave the game 5 tries but just couldn't get into it. :(
Hearing that Saga is regarded as lesser than Gears is really disappointing.
Playing and loving Xenoblade 2 had got me interested in Xenosaga but I dunno now...
This is something I agree with. While Fei, Elly, and Bart are developped throughout the story, the remaining cast members remain go basically untouched after their initial arc. Part of me wonders the degree to which this is due to Disk 2's rough development, but it is undeniably a problem. the great writing for the aforementioned 3 and the villains more than makes up for it, but the blade games (even X) are much more balanced with their characters in this respect imo.I feel like people really oversell how much Gears cast is better than Saga. Outside of Fei and Elly, most characters in the party are really just there once you are done with their arcs and even Citan mostly just serves as exposition central. Bart is fine. Ironically Margie is way better developed than characters like Rico or Emeralda. The game does have two fantastic leads and a great cast of villains, but that's a series' stable except maybe XB1.
In comparison even Jin (Who is in the series for 2 games) and Ziggy who are Saga two least developed characters are way ahead in development compared to pretty much anyone in the cast of Gears except Fei and Elly. The party members in general interact with each other way more in Saga than in Gears too and Shion/KOS-MOS relationship is pretty unique as far JRPG go.
Disc 2 is basically a visual book. You can't say the game is better than others when half of it is just not an actual full game.
Yup, still one of the most memorable games of all time for me.Xenogears at the time of release was incredible and no Xeno game since has come close to giving me the same feelings. Music, story, setting, characters .... just awesome and unique, it felt powerful and cohesive
Pretty much this.If I was dying, one of my dying wishes would be to see Xenogears get the FFVII treatement (but not episodic) or at the very least disk 2 with the same care put into as disk 1. I'm not dying however, and it's still a wish of mine. Xenogears is in my top 5 RPGs of all time.
I do think Xenosaga has the best character in the Xeno series of games (KOS-MOS). Xenosaga as a whole I also enjoyed a lot, but it doesn't reach Xenogears heights.
unpopular opinion/hot take but xenogears was a hot mess of a game. though narrow expectations through a 16/32 bit jrpg mindset it ranges from decent to brilliant.
Xenogears is mostly liked by old people that just can't let go.
Honestly if you loved Saga there is no reason you shouldn't love Gears. It's more, to quote Takahashi himself, "pastoral", it's also more "shounen 90 mecha anime" compared to Saga (Which isn't a criticism, it's just the atmosphere I feel like it has going on) but it's pretty much features all the tropes Takahashi loved and later re-inserted and expanded into the other games (Which is why I think that or XB1 are good starting points for the Xeno-series).For those who have played both, how would you compare Xenosaga III to Xenogears? I remember thinking Xenosaga 1 was ok, skipped Xenosaga II, but I loved Xenosaga III. Are they on the same level or is Xenogears much better than it?
For those who have played both, how would you compare Xenosaga III to Xenogears? I remember thinking Xenosaga 1 was ok, skipped Xenosaga II, but I loved Xenosaga III. Are they on the same level or is Xenogears much better than it?