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SOLDIER

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Pretty sure I made a thread like this not too long ago, but most of us are stuck at home and I don't want to look at anymore FFVII Remake videos or commercials (heard the latest one had some big spoilers). Gotta debate something to pass the time.

I'm sure most of you have long gotten tired of this discussion.....but it keeps coming up anyway. The other day in my FC in FFXIV, someone went and brought this up, crying "I don't like censorship" and the usual rhetoric in regards to Tifa's redesign.

Because, let's get things straight, that's what it is: it's not censorship, it's not a nerf, it's not a demand from Sony or the Ethics committee. It's Square making the absolutely correct decision to make sure their most popular, most recognizable game of all time reach as much of a worldwide audience as possible, and that giving their primary heroine juggs like a Scoreland model would have been an aesthetic nightmare as well as making all the billboard, subway and packaged food advertisements reach a much more undesirable response.

But this discussion isn't about how you feel about the new design or Tifa as a character, because I'm certain the large majority are on the same page regarding both topics. Instead, it's to look into the character's "legacy" as fap fuel for over 20 years courtesy of fan-art, fanfics, doujins, and cosplays that continue to be made with increasing abundance to this very day. Nay, this very second.

(*cough so I"m told cough*)

And hey, none of that is even an issue. The more popular the character, the more porn they get. It's a fact of life, and I'm sure there are videogame characters who have a bigger pile of fan-spunk credited to their name. I won't judge....except the Pokemon stuff, because I'm pretty sure most of those girls are super underage, but anyway.

Here's the thing, though: I don't see Pokemon fans constantly posting outrage if a character like May shows up in a new game and doesn't match the proportions of their folder of saved DA pics. I see more Street Fighter fans wanting Cammy to have more outfits with actual fucking pants than to have her huge ass out 24/7.

Even Lara Croft, one of the most heavily and OFFICIALLY sexualized characters in videogame history (from magazine pinups to advertisements making puns about how "packed full of content" her games have, to commercials with married men creeping on a 90's CG rendering of the character) got an even more drastic makeover with the recently rebooted series and....people seemed largely okay with it. In fact, they went and continued to build porn around the new look without tweaking her chest to its more "iconic" size.

Seems there was some verbal backlash regarding Jill's redesign for the RE3 Remake, which was honestly surprising: I always thought her RE1 look was the most popular, but that topic was the main reason I decided to make this thread.

People getting angry that a character shows less T&A with a new design isn't new, and it isn't going to go away. But with Tifa, it seems to be the most frequent and obsessive "outrage" out of any other. And as one of my favorite FF characters, that really sucks.

It's not out of prudishness or failing to acknowledge the hormone-culturing design of the original. It's obvious the character was designed with sex appeal in mind. But unlike Lara Croft, Mai Shiranui or Morrigan, the sex appeal never felt like the character's primary trait, or even secondary. It was an addition if anything else, and it wasn't done out of a subversion of the actual character or anything....Tifa is just like most other JRPG/Anime creation....create an appealing character design first, think up a story for them later.

Again, the thread is less about the character (because outside of a couple "mid 90's" fanservice moments coupled with really out-of-date CG, Tifa is not portrayed in a sexualized manner. The character is treated 100% seriously, even moreso than some of the other heroines preceding her) and more about how the gaming culture (both fans and outside observers) seems particularly obsessive about her physical appearance over any other character. Heck, more people stood up for Mai Shiranui, who was literally told on stream that she was far too titacular to show up in Smash Bros.

And yet with almost every reply in the official FFVII Twitter to the fan-art where someone "fixed" the proportions to people actually posting photos of women in sports bras to the defense of "don't worry guys, she's still massive under there!", it's all....sad.

And funny, oh it's been quite amusing to see how low these degenerates will sink.

But still a bit sad, in the sense that I don't think any videogame character has gotten this much attention about their design in a purely masturbatory sense (because that's all it is, don't ever believe for a second it's because of "big boob rep" or whatever).

Again, maybe I'm just more privy to this because I happen to be a big FF fan who actively follows a lot of community focused around it. I honestly want to know if it's ever gotten this bad for other highly popular characters. Again, I've seen similar backlash to recent changes like the toning down of the MK ladies or Samus getting more muscular and less busty blonde, but I feel that all brushed over as quickly as it began. Whereas this could be something that follows Tifa throughout the entirety of the Remake releases and onward.

And yeah, that sucks.
 

Soulflarz

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Tifa or Lara Croft I'd assume? I mean, assuming we're talking by the masses, who the hell knows people and porn. Bowsette probably.
 

Daouzin

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She has to be in the top 20-30 characters. However, the developers sexualize her as well. I think it's an issue that stems from the top and works its way through the fans.

2B is another case of this. I don't think she would be nearly as sexualized by the fans if the developer himself and the people that worked on the game didn't make her sexualization so overt.

People are gonna thirst over any attractive video game character, see certain Pokemon Gym leaders, but by and far the Nintendo fans aren't as ridiculous because Nintendo isn't as ridiculous themselves.
 

ILikeFeet

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People are gonna thirst over any attractive video game character, see certain Pokemon Gym leaders, but by and far the Nintendo fans aren't as ridiculous because Nintendo isn't as ridiculous themselves.
I don't know, bro. Nintendo characters' lack of inherent horniness awakens things in people
 

Z-Beat

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Sonic > the entire cast of Overwatch > Lara Croft > everyone else
 

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SOLDIER

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Well like I said, there are definitely more popular characters who get more porn.

But how many of those people actually pester Nintendo to give Zelda bigger tits? Or got angry about Lara Croft's reboot design? That's the point I'm trying to make.

The Bowsette thing was more of a big internet fad based around the idea of "what if Bowser but as a sexy anime girl?" I know some people even begged Nintendo to make it official, but again....seemed like that ultimately passed.
 

Iris

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if pornhub metrics are any indication, no, tifa is not the most sexualized video game character. your favourite overwatch gals mercy or dva are much more popular :]
 

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I mean, I'd think it's simply because it's one of the first mainstream games with an appreciable focus on story. Even other beloved games of that era (SM64, OoT, GoldenEye...) have a negligible story; and generally speaking I think at that point there were very few other games who made an impression thanks to their story in the entire medium (Chrono Trigger, FFVI, what else?..).

So I think part of the reason you see so much about her is that she was simply the very first memorably sexually appealing character to a lot of people (mostly straight guys, probably). The fact that she's a well-written character probably helps.

To make a bit of a crass analogy, a lot of people probably fondly remember the first piece of porn they saw and really liked; I'd assume this is similar if not a direct parallel.
 

Weltall Zero

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Congratulations Tifa, not only do you not even make the list, but you are surpassed by not one but at least two reptilian humanoids (Bowser and Argonian). Your virtue is (relatively) safe.

Also for a second I thought Andromeda was an actual character in the eponymous Mass Effect :D.
 

Roliq

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I don't know what most surprising from this image, that even after a year Bowsette (and Bowser) still chart high or that Pikachu not only is in the top 12 with an increase of 372% (WTF) but also above Misty
 
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Ha, I knew Lara was up there. Even though I didn't begin playing Tomb Raider for that reason...Then the internet happened...
 

NSESN

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But how many of those people actually pester Nintendo to give Zelda bigger tits? Or got angry about Lara Croft's reboot design? That's the point I'm trying to make.
I dunno, while people dont ask Nintendo to sexualize Zelda or Peach I have definitely seem some people upset over Smash Ultimate giving Samus smaller breasts.
There is also the Fire Emblem fans that made an uproar abou changes in Fates localization to make the game less creepy
 

Lowblood

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So wait, Ada clearly gets a bump because RE2 Remake came out in 2019, but how does Claire end up going down year-over-year? Was she even on the list in 2018? She hadn't been in a game since Rev2 (and that wasn't even a huge release), RE2R should have given her a bump.
 

L Thammy

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I think recency bias is going to affect search results. Every holiday makes it into porn search tags too. I'm pretty not even the ones with costumes.
 

Thera

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Seriously, I don't know.
I didn't follow much FF and even if I played VII when it launched or around, I don't remember. It will always be those weird proportions in game.

So when I discovered the redesign, I was like : "ok, a new 'out of this world' mensuration girls".
So when I discovered the backlash...
 

Strangelove_77

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I'm not going to lie, it's one of the first things I looked up when I got the internet.
 

SolVanderlyn

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I think it's gotta be Overwatch characters. They're not sexualized specifically by the developers but they have just enough traits to fit someone's "type." Also, it's massively popular.

I don't really know how these things work so this is all just guessing on my part. But characters like Tifa, Mai, Lara Croft, etc. are all sexualized by the devs themselves, so it flows from there and doesn't really count. They didn't add Mai to Smash in any way, shape or form because of it.

By fans? You're always gonna get weird shit on the internet. Overwatch seems like it dangles strings in front of those people for them to grab and run with it.

Also, that chart above is hilarious. Argonian. Pikachu. Bowser. lmfao
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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Pornhub stats are kinda useless either way, its like why are you even searching those things on that site? hoping for some weird cosplay?