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Is there anyone that thinks that SFV is the greatest fighting game of all time?
- Thread starter Durden
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i'm sure there's someone in the world who thinks SF5 is the best fighter on the planet, just like there were people who thought SF4 was the best during that game's heyday, and SF3, and etc.
do research before making shit up, please
a 5 second youtube search gave me this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhujjp4BwZs
do research before making shit up, please
I don't even need to say anything, just post artwork/gameplay images of it and that's enough to portray it as the laughing stock that it is.You stop this Gowcaizer smear campaign right now.
Did you start following SFIV at the end of its life?! Infil spent most of his SFIV career playing a vortex heavy Akuma, he didn't really start branching to other characters until Ultra SFIV when they added delayed wake up.
i raised you on up with Rise of the Robots and Rise 2: Resurrection.
I don't even need to say anything, just post artwork/gameplay images of it and that's enough to portray it as the laughing stock that it is.
Imagine hating on Obari. Guess you hate the Fatal Fury OVAs too smh
There are assuredly some who do, but I'm not one of them. I've put in more than 1000 hours and I'm still disappointed by how conservative the design of the game is. The devs have very specific ideas about how each character should play and what they should / shouldn't be able to do. Enforcing that like they have sucked a lot of the creativity out of the game. The meta is still heavily skewed towards rushdown / mixups and they can't even be bothered to buff v-reversals, the one defensive mechanic in the game. I think the game would be much better if they just increased the pushback on the majority of normals (especially on air-resets) and fireballs.
The v-system as a whole is very hit-or-miss and just feels like wasted potential to me. They clearly took at least a little inspiration from KI, but that game did everything it could to make each character feel unique. Pretty much everyone had their own unique subsystem or mechanic and it made each character fun to explore. SFV just doesn't have that. Strong versatile tools are rare in SFV and many of the ones present are locked behind v-trigger.
All that being said, it's not trashy anime, a 3D fighter, or made by NRS. So it's by default one of the best fighters this generation.
The v-system as a whole is very hit-or-miss and just feels like wasted potential to me. They clearly took at least a little inspiration from KI, but that game did everything it could to make each character feel unique. Pretty much everyone had their own unique subsystem or mechanic and it made each character fun to explore. SFV just doesn't have that. Strong versatile tools are rare in SFV and many of the ones present are locked behind v-trigger.
All that being said, it's not trashy anime, a 3D fighter, or made by NRS. So it's by default one of the best fighters this generation.
I'll reraise with Battle Blaze and Aggressors of Dark Kombat.
SF5 is not good, but neither was SF4 or SF3. SF2 was at least good for its time.
never played battle blaze but Aggressors of dark kombat is actually a functional fighting game by ADK.
I just hope they keep the good from SF5 in SF6. I think crush counters, crossplay, and the removal of 1f links were good changes.
V-triggers can die in a fire though, as can the setplay heavy and reactionary nature of the game. They dumbed down neutral way too much.
Another thing I didn't like about SF5 was after S2 - they destroyed everything fun about who I liked to play because they didn't like Mena winning. They made Birdie good again this year, but everything I liked about playing him was gone and now he plays a lot more generic and in a style I don't like.
In general, most of the big changes SF5 made over the lifecycle made things more standardized and generic, and less fun.
Once SC6 came out I have no desire to ever touch SF5 again. SC6 occasionally makes bad changes, but they at least add fun stuff with each update.
V-triggers can die in a fire though, as can the setplay heavy and reactionary nature of the game. They dumbed down neutral way too much.
Another thing I didn't like about SF5 was after S2 - they destroyed everything fun about who I liked to play because they didn't like Mena winning. They made Birdie good again this year, but everything I liked about playing him was gone and now he plays a lot more generic and in a style I don't like.
In general, most of the big changes SF5 made over the lifecycle made things more standardized and generic, and less fun.
Once SC6 came out I have no desire to ever touch SF5 again. SC6 occasionally makes bad changes, but they at least add fun stuff with each update.
Not that I disagree but there are tons of smash clones
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It's my GOAT fighting game. I have a soft spot for everything Street Fighter, and SFV just clicks with me on every level in a way no other fighting game has.
I think Blazblue Central Fiction is the greatest fighting game of all time. I do think Street Fighter V is the best Street Fighter, though I prefer the Soul Calibur franchise over the Street Fighter franchise as a whole. Something like:
BB > SC > SF > Tekken > KoF > GG > Mahvel-likes >>>>>>>> Midways / Netherrealms
BB > SC > SF > Tekken > KoF > GG > Mahvel-likes >>>>>>>> Midways / Netherrealms
That new MK looks sick tho.
It's very simple for noobs like me to play.
Lots of those games are platform fighters yes, but of the ones you mention, only Punchtime Xplosion is a smash Bros copy.
All the others ignores at least one of the most basic of the smash Bros Mechanics: the percentage kill condition
It is like saying judo simulations or Fighters Destiny are sf2 clones
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I love BBCF. The additions + changes to OD are great, and the game feel is as fluid as ever. So fun!
You do know OS still exists in SFV?
Whiffing lights midscreen and buffering to a special or VT while poking limbs is an OS.
You're glad SFV fixed SFIV's problem of having defensive tools?
I think what people want is no option selects, but enough defensive options. In SFV it was mostly block or backdash/tech throw. DPs got neutered too much, as did V-reversal, and eventually Birdie armor got nerfed hard. This lead to offensive oki being stale and braindead- you had a meaty you used it.
And this is the fundamental problem with SFV - they made a game that was about setplay, but the setplay itself was dull and boring.
Yes, but they're drastically reduced. Option selects are a byproduct of how fighting games work so you're always going to have at least some. And what a weird strawman. I never made that argument although sf4's flawed game design benefited motion characters far more than charge characters. FADC specifically was something that motion characters always had access to while charge characters often didn't.
SFV is a colossal misstep, and it came at a time right when fighting games had a real breakthrough opportunity. Look at how well SFV is doing in spite of it being a deeply flawed, boring, slow game. Imagine what a really good SF would have been like during this time.
This BBCF love <3
Even then, that doesn't make my reply invalid: the poster said the only non indie game Smash inspired was PSABR. All of those are clearly inspired by Smash, some down to game modes and inputs.
I dunno how you can say that Red Hot Rumble and Onimusha aren't copies, and all of them have ring outs as kill condition even without %s.
Even then, that doesn't make my reply invalid: the poster said the only non indie game Smash inspired was PSABR. All of those are clearly inspired by Smash, some down to game modes and inputs.
Soul Calibur is inspired by smash =O
Yeah they are inspired but ... SF2 for GBC had simplified inputs
You know what I meant, and the Soul series predates Smash.
It would be a similar strawman to reply the poster who said Smash is the most innovative game in the genre with "actually, NES and arcade sumo games deserve that award, since Smash was inspired on them".
That's a long story. The first thing I'd point to is the way the game is played due to it's design- matches revolve around fishing for counter hits and crush counters. The risk/reward for fishing for counter hits is largely determined by the character. Cammy for example can shimmy and fish for counter hits so well and the damage is so huge for even one connected counter, why do anything else. This by itself isn't a deal breaker, but what ends up happening due to that design flaw is it removes a lot of the creativity and personal expression that good fighting games are known for.
I'm 0-18 online :-( Love the game, though I obviously don't have the skill to judge in comparison lol. It's not my all time fave though.
Edit: My favorite might be Virtua Fighter 5 Online. Soul Calibur is up there too. Street Fighter 2 Turbo is probably my favorite Street Fighter game, though that could be nostalgia talking.
Edit: My favorite might be Virtua Fighter 5 Online. Soul Calibur is up there too. Street Fighter 2 Turbo is probably my favorite Street Fighter game, though that could be nostalgia talking.
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Maybe this was the case in season 2, but in season 4 CCs have gotten nerfed so the game is way more neutral based now and focuses harder on whiff punishing, if you check top players today there is way more walking forward and blocking or walking in and out of people's ranges to fish for whiffs. For instance Bison's big crush counter button has a fuckton of recovery so you can whiff punish it pretty easily with Rashid's stand mp.
Also i dont think Cammy is a good example for this because she is a very straight forward character, if you look at Du's Guile vs Daigo's Guile you see differences in their gameplay
I can't imagine anyone honestly thinking that unless they've never played other good fighting games. Hell, I'd say SFV is one of the worst Street Fighter games overall, so it's not even the best within its own series.
Too much poking
No neutral
Too much rushdown
Not explosive enough
Too explosive
No combos
Too much combos
I've heard all of these complaints about this game on this forum.