Which means the original still has merit, otherwise they wouldn't bother to include it.
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Is there a remake that actually makes the original game pointless?
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Which means the original still has merit, otherwise they wouldn't bother to include it.
So does this go for Dracula x chronicles with it's built in SOTN and og rondo too?
We have someone in this very thread saying they prefer the original Sotc over the remake due to facial animations you can't even see half of the time, if that's not blind nostalgia idk what is then.
I remember a lot of people saying the remake was the worst part of that release lol
I find it hard to argue against that😅 but the best part about it was having the three games in one. Unlocking symphony of the night during game play has to be the ultimate trophy
It's sad the direction the series decided to take starting with the 3ds games, i remember being super excited over the thought of finally getting a mainline Pokémon game in 3D when X and Y got announced.
The original game will always have value (not simply monetary, mind) just by the virtue of being the original game which had an impact in the first place.
So the entire premise is impossible, unless a remake somehow figures out how to apply itself retroactively to the original release, by traveling through time. And even then it would be doing damage, not good.
So the entire premise is impossible, unless a remake somehow figures out how to apply itself retroactively to the original release, by traveling through time. And even then it would be doing damage, not good.
I don't think the purpose of the thread is to replace older games with the shiny remake per se. More to highlight how rare it is that a remake does good on recreating what made the original great to the point it could be recommendable as an alternative for the experience it brings.
Age of Empires 2 Definitive Edition looks beautiful and now runs great after some patching. I tried the original (well, HD) version and it's very hard to go back to. Also they rerecorded the dialogue so the accents are no longer absurdly terrible.
Also I'd say Binding of Isaac Rebirth as the original game had chronic performance issues due to running in Flash and didn't even have native controller support. The remake adds so much extra content before you take into account the DLC and custom mods. Also Steam workshop support so you can finally get a plugin that tells you what the items do without having to tab out to a Wiki!
Also I'd say Binding of Isaac Rebirth as the original game had chronic performance issues due to running in Flash and didn't even have native controller support. The remake adds so much extra content before you take into account the DLC and custom mods. Also Steam workshop support so you can finally get a plugin that tells you what the items do without having to tab out to a Wiki!
The claims of Final Fantasy 1 being made obsolete by Dawn of Souls / the PSP versions bother me.
Not only because Dawn of Souls plays differently, but also because it's trivially easy. The original FF1 was pretty ruthless in its difficulty necessitating a lot of grinding and planning for the harder dungeons like the Marsh cave. Whether all that grinding is good or bad is debatable, but it's certainly quite a different experience when you can just mash attack through a game that used to instill terror in the hearts of 11 years olds back in 1990.
Not only because Dawn of Souls plays differently, but also because it's trivially easy. The original FF1 was pretty ruthless in its difficulty necessitating a lot of grinding and planning for the harder dungeons like the Marsh cave. Whether all that grinding is good or bad is debatable, but it's certainly quite a different experience when you can just mash attack through a game that used to instill terror in the hearts of 11 years olds back in 1990.
Well, yeah, that's kind of the point of my post, haha.
I think the original version of any game that is remade has some value. However when the original version is put in the remake, then there's less reasons to buy the original over the remake.
Could you explain why? Whats missing in the remake for your? Gameplay loop, camera distance?
Also, what is Bright doing with a Titans uniform?
I know you're playing stupid when you list the game FFVIIR, and intentionally ignore what remake means, then intentionally ignore That's a game only contains midgar when the original had many other locations, characters, and story elements that are not in the so-called remake.
"Mate"
Try not to take offence by the word "mate", it's just chatty.
And no, I didn't play stupid. This is a full game. Like when they split the Hobbit into two movies, the first was a full movie.
This is a full game, it doesn't matter how you want to downplay it.
1. I dislike the muddy art of the remake, as well as I do not find the changes to the gameplay enjoyabale. It helps that I enjoy the low poly look.
2. he a bad boi
1. Thanks, I figure that the actual aesthetics were probably involved.
For example, I prefer the Half Life 1 look over Black Mesa, and the original N64 OOT (on a CRT) over the more "rounded" 3DS version.
2. Gotta admit, that dark blue uniform looks good in everybody.
There's nothing the original does better than this version, although I have fond memories of waiting in line for the special gold cartridge edition of the original N64 version back in November of 1998.
That was back when you could go outside and wait in line for things.
I'd argue that Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia makes going back to Gaiden pointless, especially since the map design is essentially 1:1.
I'm sure there's some super hardcore Fire Emblem fans out there who have some extremely particular thing they prefer about the original, but I'd imagine SoV is just strictly better for everyone else.
Streets Of Rage Remake, the Whitehead remakes of Sonic 1, 2, & CD. Sonic 3 AIR.
There might be some wiggle room on SoRR since there's cutscenes and extra gore, but mechanically, the original three games aren't needed with the remake.
There might be some wiggle room on SoRR since there's cutscenes and extra gore, but mechanically, the original three games aren't needed with the remake.
it is a full game, but it's not a full remake. it can't make the original pointless when it's missing 80% of it
There's nothing the original does better than this version, although I have fond memories of waiting in line for the special gold cartridge edition of the original N64 version back in November of 1998.
That was back when you could go outside and wait in line for things.
I prefer the original just because I like the bigger screen/controller.
This is true. The entirety of the 3DS is probably still smaller than the infamous trident N64 controller.
Not sure if it is a remake or a remaster or if there is even a difference between them anymore, but Quest for Glory 1 VGA made the original pointless. At least I have never heard anyone argue that people should play the EGA version instead. I would argue the same for the fan remake of the second game as well, but that one might be more debatable.
I don't care at all for the more cartoonish, overly brightened visuals and I think they actively remove a lot of the atmosphere the original had in certain darker parts.
There's nothing the original does better than this version, although I have fond memories of waiting in line for the special gold cartridge edition of the original N64 version back in November of 1998.
That was back when you could go outside and wait in line for things.
Monkey Island Special Editions 1 & 2.
SEs let you toggle between the remake graphics with the original games with one button. Also allow for developer commentary with a button to get history on the games too while playing. The original games are 100% obsolete imo, unless you somehow prefer using floppy drives over digital download or modern storage methods.
SEs let you toggle between the remake graphics with the original games with one button. Also allow for developer commentary with a button to get history on the games too while playing. The original games are 100% obsolete imo, unless you somehow prefer using floppy drives over digital download or modern storage methods.
The Final Fantasy Tactics PSP remake is better in almost every way, and even the one way it isn't better (the dialogue) it's not worse, it's just different. It doesn't change the core gameplay loop, all it does is add more content and add lovely animated cinematics. I've played the playstation game all the way through tens of times, but if someone asks me which version to try I will always, without hesitation, suggest the PSP version.
Also, Square, if you're reading this, Final Fantasy Tactics Fifty Years War please.
Also, Square, if you're reading this, Final Fantasy Tactics Fifty Years War please.
Sure thing! :) In relation to the "is it just nostalgia" debate, I just wanted to highlight one thing that More_Badass noted, in his OP:
I'm also reminded that Dark1x of Digital Foundry weighed in, on the third page of More_Badass's thread:
Incidentally, Dark1x also had some positive comments on Death Stranding's handling of movement and traversal (also in his DF videos, here and here):
The Guitar Hero reference in the Bunnyhop video ("...my eyeballs are visually processing a chronological flow of gameplay information that looks like a completely natural and organic landscape...") is also pretty interesting.
In any hybrid grid mode, I imagine that enhancing the 'readability' of a more geometrically-complex, organic environment might be part of the challenge. Death Stranding has an interesting approach:
Richard Moss: ...The grid [in Classic TR] meant that players would always know that if they jumped forward, backward, or sideways from a standing start, they would finish exactly one block [one unit] away. Likewise, three steps forwards or backward were equal to the length of one block [one unit], as was hopping backwards, while a running jump took three steps to prepare and traveled a distance of two blocks [two units] forward. And you knew that you could execute a running jump, without fail, by walking to the edge of a block, hopping back, running, and jumping...
How Tomb Raider's grid-based level editor shaped the early series' design and identity (part 1) | The Life & Times of Video Games
Every aspect of the original Core Design Tomb Raider series (and by extension the franchise's success post-Core) comes back to the grid that lies beneath it — the majority of the puzzles; the platforming; the cavernous chambers and ruins and outdoor areas that provide a sense of isolation, of...lifeandtimes.games
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Ocarina of Time 3D (more debatable on MM3D)
MW 1-2 Campaigns remastered
Nathan Drake Collection
Halo 2 Anniversary
MW 1-2 Campaigns remastered
Nathan Drake Collection
Halo 2 Anniversary
Thank you for your efforts in collating that information.
I hadn't even thought of the Death Stranding comparison, but it makes so much sense. The idea that these games are "Tactical Action games" in the vein of Turn Based JRPGs is a lucid observation. That comparison works especially well with Death Stranding because of its "preparation" and "loadout" structure, evoking JRPGs. Each unit of traversal in Tomb Raider's grid system and platforming is like a turn in a JRPG.
And to top it all off you have writings from 2 of my favourite journalists in there.
This is a spot on comment. I've always intuitively known this, but I could never quite describe it in words. I love your use of the word "readability". I think perhaps the word "tangibility" comes in as well. Readability for the level design's visual design and Tangibility for the actual interaction with the level design.
yah i actually didn't get very far in it so I cant remember the exact changes but I know they took away some of the tension and consequence but i still remember thinking the quality of life improvements were worth it
i don't know if chrono trigger on ipad counts as it's really essentially a port but it's the version of the game that makes me realize I'll never need to plug in my super nintendo ever again. It's absolutely the best version of the game.
The closest is the Resident Evil Remake, but that game is different enough that you can go back to the classic and still have a good time.
If the protagonist from the remake didn't look so fucking awkward, I would say SotC, but honestly, I think the PS3 version may be the better version just because of that.
If the protagonist from the remake didn't look so fucking awkward, I would say SotC, but honestly, I think the PS3 version may be the better version just because of that.
I get a lot of enjoyment by just looking what devs achieved in old ass original hardware so a remake never make original game pointless for me.
For instance, I want to play some Resident Evil on Saturn right now, and I played the remake and I loved it.
For instance, I want to play some Resident Evil on Saturn right now, and I played the remake and I loved it.
Castlevania the dracula x chronicles. Even if you don't like the change, the game also feature the original rondo of blood. It also has Symphony of the night.
the DS version is the best one as far as i know. on top of the inherent advantage of buttons, it comes with all the new content and the animated cutscenes
Again, it doesn't suck. The OST is loads better than the remake.
Monkey Island?
You can play it with modernized visuals or stay with the classic art.
big plus, no need to change floppy disks constantly
You can play it with modernized visuals or stay with the classic art.
big plus, no need to change floppy disks constantly
Appreciate those additional points, well said! Yeah, I feel like KojiPro must have had their hands full, designing the irregular terrain, helping the player to read that terrain (with the Odradek Scanner), deciding on how Sam would interact with the irregularities of the terrain, designing methods to have Sam's enemies reliably navigate that terrain (the subject of a cancelled GDC talk, incidentally), etc.
Coming back to the original Tomb Raider, just to highlight some of the discussion from the above-mentioned LTTP thread, from 2018:
With regard to the "tangibility" point you raised:
From the Richard Moss podcast:
From searching a bit just now, on the topic:
...Each room [in Classic TR] has two types of surface geometry — rendered and collisional. The former are what is seen, while the latter control how objects collide and interact with the world. Furthermore, these two types are specified separately in the room data — each type is completely independent of other, i. e. collisional geometry shouldn't exactly match visible room geometry. While this distinctive feature was never used in originals (collisional room "meshes" fully resembled visible room "meshes"), it is now extensively used by level editing community...
Room Geometry [TRWiki]
trwiki.earvillage.net