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Is Red Dead Redemption 2 the most divisive game of all time on this forum?
- Thread starter ThousandEyes
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I think we can find at least one critic out there who will speak truth about the actual quality of GTA 4
Some people get a little frustrated with something, can't control their emotions, and let those emotions snowball. They are then convinced that it is a bigger problem than it is in reality. They then see many others not having as much of a problem or no problem at all, and the emotions turn passionate.
RDR2 and some other games have minor things that some people don't like. These games are very popular, so it becomes makes those with the issues really upset.
RDR2 is one of the most incredible games ever made. Definitely not 7 or 8/10. Maybe it will take effort to control your emotions to understand that.
RDR2 and some other games have minor things that some people don't like. These games are very popular, so it becomes makes those with the issues really upset.
RDR2 is one of the most incredible games ever made. Definitely not 7 or 8/10. Maybe it will take effort to control your emotions to understand that.
RDR2 on PC will still have the same plodding movement, the same laboured fucking looting animations, the same "do exactly the right thing exactly when you're supposed to do it" repeated ad nauseum mission structure, and I suspect, the same bizarrely long delay between movement control input and initial response from Arthur Morgan. Mouse aiming and 60FPS cannot mend all.
BotW was the forum darling in the sense that a lot of people loved it but you can't ignore the "hate" threads regurgitating the same criticisms over and over that popped every week for like a full year. Even today people drive by to throw their dig at it and remind everyone how they don't like it.
I've noticed that while it's divisive, many usually dismiss those who don't like the game as "haters" or people just being grumpy. It definitely seems like more people lean toward liking it, though.
Edit: And just gonna throw in my opinion because why not? I personally feel that if RDR2 advertised itself as a simulator rather than an RPG, adventure, shooter, etc., I may have enjoyed it to some extent. The game is absolutely a slog and just not fun whatsoever, in any way. But if I went into it thinking it was meant to be "Wild West Nature Simulator" I probably would've seen it differently, and could excuse the fact that there isn't really a fun factor. Still wouldn't be my cup of tea, but at least I could give it credit for that.
Edit: And just gonna throw in my opinion because why not? I personally feel that if RDR2 advertised itself as a simulator rather than an RPG, adventure, shooter, etc., I may have enjoyed it to some extent. The game is absolutely a slog and just not fun whatsoever, in any way. But if I went into it thinking it was meant to be "Wild West Nature Simulator" I probably would've seen it differently, and could excuse the fact that there isn't really a fun factor. Still wouldn't be my cup of tea, but at least I could give it credit for that.
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People are critical to BotW on this forum??
Kidding a little bit. I know there have been a few people who didn't like it. Still, seems like this forum is FULL of people who love this game and who will go to war for it. I mean I love it too, but we used to have a praise thread a day around here because of BoTW.
I don't know what is so divisive about Uncharted 4. That game was below average in whatever way you look at it.
That won't fix the extremely restricting mission design and the waves upon waves of enemies during some missions in the second half of the game. It also doesn't fix the pacing and chapter 5.
The is some elitism bullshit my friend.
Nope. Not if you by that post mean that it's actually bad, not a critic that gets the score up on metacritic at least.
GTA4 PS3
64 positive
0 mixed
0 negative
GTA4 360
86 positive
0 mixed
0 negative
GTA4 PC
38 positive
2 mixed
0 negative
And for RDR2
RDR2 PS4
97 positive
1 mixed
0 negative
RDR2 XB1
33 positive
0 mixed
0 negative
Right. Because everybody in the world feels exactly the same way about everything as they felt when they first came in contact with it.
Could mods change the game on PC? Don't know much about modding but could the movement be changed (sped up and controlled from analogue stick), some animations shortened or eliminated and control scheme refined?
It's my favourite game I've played this generation but I can absolutely see why it's so divisive. While it was my favourite game, it was a pretty decent way off being the most fun game I've played, sometimes honestly finding things tedious. I think if the story, atmosphere and world don't grab you I can see why it falls into the category of "this is so overrated"
even if you loved the game, it should be pretty easy to see why
Maybe not, but the controls are the main issue most people seem to have, and it will be an improvement regardless. Also, the pacing is an essential part of the slow burn western that rdr 2 is, you may not like it but there is very little about it that could be "fixed", without it losing its integrity.
Pokémon Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee has a... let's be kind and call it a divided opinion here.
Is it everything wrong with the franchise?
Shameless G1 pandering?
A fresh take on the series?
One of the most fun Pokémon games yet?
All of the above at the same time?
And did it break the community so people are now looking for flaws in Sword and Shield?
The answer depends entirely on how you feel about being able to pet an Eevee.
Is it everything wrong with the franchise?
Shameless G1 pandering?
A fresh take on the series?
One of the most fun Pokémon games yet?
All of the above at the same time?
And did it break the community so people are now looking for flaws in Sword and Shield?
The answer depends entirely on how you feel about being able to pet an Eevee.
The pacing is mostly fine, but Chapter 5 and the epilogue really aren't. The epilogue keeps going on and on. I can't go into details without spoiling ir though.
In my case it's more that I think it's overrated. It's nowhere near a 97 game. I think the game does a lot of great things, but it goes too far with them to the detriment of the game: too many samey missions that all go the same. Too many menial tasks that have little to no impact on the game. The game itself is almost too in love with itself to let things go. It could have been cut short by 50% and it would still be a long game that essentially says and does the same things.
But on the other hand, the game is everything I wanted it to be with its gorgeous lived-in world-design and great attention to detail. I also liked the characters and story (even more if it were compacted more). I'd personally rank it somewhere around 80. Still a very high score and I still think the game is very much worth playing, but is it overrated? Very much so.
But on the other hand, the game is everything I wanted it to be with its gorgeous lived-in world-design and great attention to detail. I also liked the characters and story (even more if it were compacted more). I'd personally rank it somewhere around 80. Still a very high score and I still think the game is very much worth playing, but is it overrated? Very much so.
Reviews aren't based on a critic's first contact with a game, on rare occasions they don't play it until the end but they've still spent enough time with it that their opinion of it should've stabilized.
But I actually think critics need to start revisiting games since there is almost always post-launch updates and games as a service makes the initial reviews pointless.
But that's for another thread.
You should listen to Dan ryckert of giant bomb. He hates the game while red dead redemption 1 was his gotg last gen. My opinion mirrors a lot of hims too.
I think people like this help make it so devisive. You can't even simply say that you don't like the game without getting attacked and accused of being a fanboy of a different game or that you "can't control your emotions" by someone so upset that you do not like something they like that they, ironically, seem to not be able to control their emotions and have to lash out. That understandably makes people that are getting attacked for not liking RDR 2 annoyed and they will dig in even more.
I honestly think the game sucks. It is extremely boring, has horrendous controls and input lag, isn't interesting to play, etc. I was extremely hyped for it and even preordered it digitally (couldn't cancel or refund), and I just couldn't enjoy it no matter what.
If they don't make another RDR I'd be ok. GTA will always be around, but Rockstar should do a new IP.
RDR2 feels like it's playing itself most of the time. I regret buying it.
If they don't make another RDR I'd be ok. GTA will always be around, but Rockstar should do a new IP.
RDR2 feels like it's playing itself most of the time. I regret buying it.
Same for me.
And it's about to get even better soon. It was my GOTY last year based on the X version and it'll be my GOTY this year based on the PC and Stadia version.
Is it the game of the generation? Maybe, it's either RDR2 or BOTW, nothing comes close.
And Arthur is the most interesting protagonist in the history of gaming.
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I feel its uncharted as well. If uncharted 4 was multiplat it would be by a larger amount.
I think it's exclusive status actually probably helps to fuel its divisiveness. I feel like people are more often defensive of, and defensive against exclusives.
I don't think so, because I actually agree with some of the main criticism, namely the ancient mission design and not-so-engaging gameplay mechanics. I love the game in spite of that, because it achieves greatness in different areas.
The first poll really isn't that close. Over two thirds of voters said it was a 90+ game. Less than a third said the game didn't deserve the glowing reception.
Phrased another way, two thirds of it felt it was overrated. There are a lot of 90+ games out there. 97s is rare company.
Any beloved game is the most divisive game of all time in a sense because there will always be someone who will find it trash.
A game is flaming garbage or the holy grail. No in between.
A game is flaming garbage or the holy grail. No in between.
In my eyes it is because it threads the line in what defines a video game. How intuitive or good it feels to interact with the game and what I am getting out of it in terms of esthetic or narrative. And in my eyes the interactive aspect defines why I use my time on a game and not a movie or a book.
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I paid 60 dollars for rdr2. Both be and my cousin couldn't get past 5 hrs of the campaign and we both hated the multiplayer.
Terrible gameplay. Couldn't stand the horrible movement control system among other things. Multiplayer has the worst auto-aim I've ever seen too.
IMO of course, people have a right to like it.
Every game is going to be divisive if the question is "Is it the best game of all time or just a fantastic game?" Something tells me Super Mario Odyssey would be more "divisive" in that case.
Maybe? Do other people find their complaints with Odyssey as glaring as RDR2's critics find its shortcomings? If so, they should make more noise. I don't recall seeing many threads here to that effect. I feel like that's what it's about. How overwhelmingly effusive is the praise, and contrarily, how strongly do the detractors feel about their own misgivings? I absolutely agree with almost all of the praise for RDR2's best facets, but there was still a lot of things there that made me grind my teeth. But evidently few or none of the reviewers felt that way.
Recently, yes it is.
to me it's the beet game in this generation and Top 5 of all time.... to some they couldn't even stand it more than first few chapters.
to me it's the beet game in this generation and Top 5 of all time.... to some they couldn't even stand it more than first few chapters.
It's easy to see why. It has qualities to it that could be described as industry leading, while it at the same has parts to it which are absolutely terrible (gameplay in general aming other things, imo).
This doesn't mean I'd rate it like a 5/10 or lower so it definitely isn't a terrible game overall. But different people will value different aspects differently. The game's qualitiy just isn't consistent in all of it's parts.
This gets brought up everytime and just isn't true. I have seen the same discussions on other message boards, in private Whatsapp groups and with friends in RL. It's a divisive game outside the Era bubble too.
This doesn't mean I'd rate it like a 5/10 or lower so it definitely isn't a terrible game overall. But different people will value different aspects differently. The game's qualitiy just isn't consistent in all of it's parts.
This gets brought up everytime and just isn't true. I have seen the same discussions on other message boards, in private Whatsapp groups and with friends in RL. It's a divisive game outside the Era bubble too.
We pretty much did this exact thread 2 weeks ago, 14 pages long
We had the same thing with gta 4, some people who did everything to defend it and give rockstar a pass. Give it a few years.
And like other have said it's not just on this forum.
And like other have said it's not just on this forum.
Kojima talking about animation priority and making things like picking up cargo off the floor 'feel' snappy and instantaneous kinda gives me hope in this regard. When compared to RDR2, it's not realistic at all, but his mentality regarding good game feel hasn't changed since MGSV despite some thinking Death Stranding would ship with bad gameplay.
This is coming from someone who doesn't mind how slow RDR2's movement feels as it's still really fuckin' meaty, especially when you get into gunfights, feels very visceral and I love it, but from what we've seen, it's kinda hard to deny that Death Stranding won't have superior controls at the very least. Rockstar North et al and Kojima Productions have two different mindsets when it comes to this kinda thing, Rockstar pursued more 'authentic' player movement and input with RDR2 at a sacrifice to responsiveness whereas Kojima Productions is willing to make this area feel a lot more 'gamey' in the pursuit of responsiveness at the sacrifice of 'realism'. Different strokes at the end of the day. I don't think comparing them does us any good as both developers are going for different things. One that makes sense for their own game, design and world.
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Idk the whole thing is confusing to me, I thought MC was a big deal here but even when games get glowing reviews and scores there still what seems to be a big crowd who can't help but tell you the game is garbage or something. Was always confused by the GTA 4 hate too when I lurked.
The more time passes the more i see how great of an achievement it is.
I play it regularly just to roam around and do sidestuff like the dreamcatcher quest and such. Everytime it is a great experience, because it all is so immersive and dynamic.
It is a cultural product and as such it will stand the test of time.
I think the problem is that overblown positivity often engenders overblown negativity in those who didn't love the game.
It's okay to recognise the game as great and even call it one of the best of all time. I think those who didn't enjoy it can't argue with that. But then you get statements like those in this thread implying that those who don't love it didn't finish it, or describing it as "this gen's magnum opus" (whatever that that even means), and it gets those people's backs up and they double down on their criticism.
It's okay to recognise the game as great and even call it one of the best of all time. I think those who didn't enjoy it can't argue with that. But then you get statements like those in this thread implying that those who don't love it didn't finish it, or describing it as "this gen's magnum opus" (whatever that that even means), and it gets those people's backs up and they double down on their criticism.
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