If Arieth can wear a dress in that same dangerous slum world why can't Tifa wear a sports bra and shorts as a martial artist
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Is Quiet the worst character design this gen?
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Sexualized designs I get but Tifa is just some normal ass girl in the city, I don't understand how this even comes up
I feel like it's often not mentioned that Quiet goes through attempted rape and torture with the cutscene camera focusing in on her breasts while she's getting electrocuted and drowned.
It's probably the most misogynistic portrayal of a woman in any game. Can't speak, wears the ridiculous outfit in a combat zone, gives sexually gratuitous animations in the helicopter and the bath scene and the rain scene, and then on top of all that, her torture and attempted rape is heavily sexualized for the player. It's pretty sick when you think about it. Also, this is the *only* characterized woman in the entire game among a host of dudes.
It's probably the most misogynistic portrayal of a woman in any game. Can't speak, wears the ridiculous outfit in a combat zone, gives sexually gratuitous animations in the helicopter and the bath scene and the rain scene, and then on top of all that, her torture and attempted rape is heavily sexualized for the player. It's pretty sick when you think about it. Also, this is the *only* characterized woman in the entire game among a host of dudes.
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She doesn't need armor if she's not planning on getting hit. She's physically stronger and faster than most of the characters. Like in other games, the "thief/rogue/fast character" wears fabric and the slow soldiers wear armor....because they're slow. It's a speed thing. You wouldn't ask an mma fighter, martial artist or wrestler to wear armor either.
Look at these women martial artists wearing inappropriate attire.
lmao if this is what you got about this.
Why is the metric for boring designing characters who actually look like they fit the description? Are....99.9% of male characters in gaming boring then? 🤔
Within the context of the game is pretty out there, design wise its not even bad though, just very unnecessary. Plenty more games this gen have way worse designs
Well that's why Aloy was a good new design. Not a huge fan of the game, but more unique for her look and definitely not sexualized.
I'd say we're seeing a whole lot of variety in recent years unless you're exclusively playing japanese games
LMAO, get out of here with this shit. I get what you're trying to get at, but to say she's one of the worst designed characters is laughable and pathetic.
Tifa by their world's standard is considered a normal human just like Barret and she lives in a grimy city environment. Yet here she is on the battlefield navel exposed dressed like a big breasted Hooters waitress. Look at how she is dressed compared to the rest of her teammates and you should understand how ridiculous she looks fighting in that. FF7 is a fantasy world but there is a degree of it being grounded in reality in its design that you see with Barret, the rest on Avalanche, and even Cloud.
In all seriousness Tifa, more so than any of the examples named ITT, actually follows the rules of good character design, in spite of her being fanservicy. She's by default nowhere near the worst as a result. but guys, no need to get defensive, it's ok to like Tifa but let's not pretend that they didn't know exactly what they were doing with some of the camera work:
We're only now seeing variety because people spoke up in the first place.
These characters aren't at risk of getting chopped in half and having their guts spilled out or getting their arms chopped limbs chopped off. They have Hit points and if they fall in battle its because their HP reach zero not because they got a traumatic brain injury or lost a ton of blood. They are resurrected with revival magic and can shoot fire and call down lightning bolts. They don't have to wear armor. Their defense is based on a bangle and an accessory for gods sake. In the real world there are no monsters to fight or mechanized bots. Its a fantasy world.... The game is literally called Final FANTASY people. There can be fantastical elements.
I didn't say anything to the contrary. But this idea that every female videogame character is sexualised doesn't really hold true. In that landscape it should be okay to still have sexualised characters here and there.
Huh? Most of the frames that Cowboy Tifa had in FF7R was with her back to the camera though? The only scene they showed was her grieving over her father and walking up the stairs after Sephiroth.
How is it not? You and others are complaining about Tifa being sexualized because she's wearing shorts and a shirt that shows her belly button, claiming it's "not appropriate attire to fight in" (in a game where Aerith and, soon, a person in a mascot costume are members of the main party). He posted that to highlight that that particular argument isn't exactly as airtight as you all are trying to make it seem, although pretty sardonically...
This is a REALLY good post...
The difference is Cloud is wearing an unrealistic jumper and trousers, whereas Tifa had been changed to be in thigh-high stockings to fit into generic, templated, objectified female character design 101. Here's her original design. It's pretty obvious what was changed in order to fit into modern JRPG character templates.
Tifa Lockhart - Wikipedia
Still nowhere near as bad as Quiet or XB2 though.
Damn, what's the new character design trend I should be up on?
Yeah, dont get it either. It's pretty tame.
Just kinda fun/eccentric really.
I'd agree it has gotten better. But yes, a lot of Japanese games still suffer from really homogeneous designs and even in Western titles, I feel like the protagonists of games tend not to vary too much (with some exceptions) and the more interesting designs are relegated to side characters.
And that's why we gotta keep speaking up! I guess it's nice to see the balling rolling in the right direction but we still have a long way to go.
No because that's last gen :P
I don't really mind Tifa and IMO she's far from the worst and is nothing compared to Quiet but... this is very silly. "Street martial artists" don't wear mini skirts and knee-high socks. Tifa was designed to be sexy, not realistic for her job. Let's be real here.
This would be a great gotcha if we saw Tifa perform in the ring. Alas, it's just a shitpost.Look at these women martial artists wearing inappropriate attire.
I'll say this about Tifa though, while I think her clothes are fine, the camera does it's best to centre her boobs in the middle of the screen whenever it can.
Like it's not the costume that's the problem but more shots like this:
I'm 35 hours into the game to chapter 14 and I did remember this part earlier in the game. The entire game doesn't consist of shots like this though. That's a blatant lie.
Yeah, her design is really fucking terrible. I gave up on MGS5 after I saw some of the gifs of her in the rain and stretching in the helicopter and shit. Absolutely disgusting. XB2 is the only other big game I was excited to try before seeing the terrible sexist designs and changing my mind.
Quiet is a contender for most ridiculous/terrible design this gen if we're only looking at AAA games (and she truly is a perverted trainwreck of a design). If we expand the scope to all games this gen, well... There are a lot of terrible designs in the race for that crown unfortunately.
Exactly.
The history of video games dictates that this gen is a very big exception to the rule. Getting more variety now doesn't mean people shouldn't speak their minds when another one of the former status quo shows up. Especially because that status quo has only changed in some places and not others.
Because two points, first, an MMA fight in a closed prepared stage and fighting around all over the world in different unsafe areas and situations and enemies, including weapons , monsters and shit, is totally diferent.
And second, boxers also wear nothing but shorts. People arguing about Cloud having an inpractical outfit but the point is that, as always, man = bulky, woman = sexualized (because no, Tifa's outfit is not the same as an MMA fighter).
I want to be clear, because people are already thinking the worst, Tifa is BY FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR no comparable to the shit that is Quiet or the Xenoblade designs, but it can't be denied it's a sexualized design, I just commented about how I wish she had pants because Remake has that shitty Zettai thing and that I hate and shit escalated quickly.
On one hand you are right but on the other square Enix skorts would be far more scandalous
But I digress
Compared to the other offenders in this thread Tifa might as well be completely covered up because she is very tame in comparison. I'm not saying she is perfect, but do I think she is far from the worst design this gen. (And she isn't even this gen when it comes down to it lol)
Yeah, dont get it either. It's pretty tame.
Just kinda fun/eccentric really.
But that's a straight up Halloween "sexy cowgirl" costume.
Her normal outfit looks like something you'd see someone jogging in (skirt aside), that cowgirl costume looks like something you'd wear only see someone wear on a Halloween party.
Tifa aint the worst. I don't even think she's bad. I'd go as far as to say she's pretty alright.
But let's not act like she's high art or something. She's a beautiful girl with large breasts and a mini skirt. For a lot of people that's more than enough but it's aint exactly a MASTER CLASS of character design as some seem to think.
But let's not act like she's high art or something. She's a beautiful girl with large breasts and a mini skirt. For a lot of people that's more than enough but it's aint exactly a MASTER CLASS of character design as some seem to think.
Just want to point that she certainly isn't, I don't even think anyone here said that. At this point of the thread we are talking about multitud of designs, not only what is the worst one.
Yeah tbh if you put some shorts on her instead of the skirt, then she just looks dressed like every other woman working out during warm weather in SoCal, except with gloves and boots.
Cloud wears a turtle neck and Barret wears a vest and an undershirt.
I think I lean harder on misogynistic, fetishistic, and objectifying designs made by men for the male gaze rather than "hey how come his sword floats on his back like that" because the former can be actively harmful and have a negative effect on people's perception of body image and sexuality.