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This Tweet says nothing about hype or games sales. It's specifically referencing sales expectations and forecasts, which, as a matter of fact, E3 doesn't impact.
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Is PlayStation right to skip E3? [Gamesindustry.biz]
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You quoted this Tweet:
This Tweet says nothing about hype or games sales. It's specifically referencing sales expectations and forecasts, which, as a matter of fact, E3 doesn't impact.
views on youtube? Sony event will have trailers on youtube too or even just a state of play.
At the hundreds of other events they're apparently going to be at.
And Sony will likely invite press to their hq like they did with wired.
That is total bollocks. Xbox One lost the entire console generation almost purely off the back off of Microsoft's horrendous E3 2013 conference. A poor E3 showing absolutely can make or break an entire console generation literally overnight; as was also famously the case with the PS3 in 2006 and the PS1 VS Saturn in 1994.
That being said, this isn't 2013 anymore (and certainly not 1994). E3 has lost a huge amount of relevency since then, and the Nintendo Direct format has proven itself a success. Nintendo managed to launch a new console to huge success without needing E3, so it can clearly be done.
But whether or not Sony can successfully ape Nintendo? That remains to be seen...
MS automatically wins the next generation by showing up to this E3 confirmed.
We'll get the same news just at a different time and in a different way, I don't think it's going to make a significant difference to us or Playstation and I don't think Sony should feel any kind of responsibility towards trying to keep E3 afloat.
Those trailers and social media posts could be associated with another event or none at all and receive similar or greater attention since they can pick an optimal time and not have to compete with dozens of other announcements on the same week.
That's kind of proving the point of E3 becoming less relevant, the engagement is all through youtube trailers and social media posts rather than anything specific with E3 conferences or whats happening on the showfloor.
Those trailers and social media posts could be associated with another event or none at all and receive similar or greater attention since they can pick an optimal time and not have to compete with dozens of other announcements on the same week.
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E3 was fine last year without 'em and E3 will be fine this year without them.
They'll do their own thing and be successful with it, as will E3.
And time marches forward.
They'll do their own thing and be successful with it, as will E3.
And time marches forward.
I disagree that E3 was the reason. E3 was just where Microsoft decided to give this message. Had they given the exact same information at any venue outside of E3, prior to or after, in the age of the internet, the response would have been the same.
E3 for us has always only been just that trailers and hype. Nothing more to it.
That's the only problem I have with this decision. Hopefully they continue to help showcase more indie games at their own events like they did the first half of this gen I don't have a problem. Sony was deservedly praised for helping smaller games get attention at the start of this gen, but these small games also helped Sony as well.
That didn't work for Control, MediEvil and Concrete Genie last year.
That's weird, because I thought it was about the billions of dollars they invested into first-party offerings and third-party relationships.
Huh.
You're totally right. If they had announced DRM, always-online, SPORTS! and all the rest of it outside of E3 they would have sold 500 million consoles by now.
They lost because of what they had to say, not because of E3.
And in reality we knew everything ahead of E3, they just confirmed it at E3 and that's precisely why they had a hard time because journalists kept asking them questions about leaks they didn't want to confirm or answer.
No, they are not. They win nothing by not going to e3. A new product can use all the marketing it can get.
Gamescom, The Game Awards, Nintendo Directs, Playstation Meeting etc are all just trailers and hype as well.
It can happen anywhere and for any event. E3 isn't anything special anymore because of that.
Why they all sold well within expectations. All developers seemed pleased with the performance as did Sony. They were never expected to be huge hits.
Ok. So we're talking about expectations and forecasts. Matt still has no way to know what the expectations would be without an E3 showing.
The E3 conference was horrendous because of its substance...not the production value of the show itself. The fact that the system was weaker and $100 more was what broke it. The fact that they were demanding you play online and were attempting to make physical media the equivalent of a cd key broke it. That still would have occurred regardless of a presentation at E3 or any other conference.
Seriously this is almost offensive. They succeeded for so many reasons: focused leadership, good hardware, competitive pricing, focus on games, good marketing, and most importantly they did not try and be everything to everyone. To say it was just E3 is at best trolling.
There is no pressure for any of the publishers to deliver new and exciting stuff at any of these events.
Again, quarterly reports are a clear indicator that E3 doesn't impact the way a particular publisher forecasts or sets sales expectations.
Fiscal Q4 reports for someone like, EA for example, come out in early May. E3 is in June.
EA has already developed models that forecast sales, and thus set expectations, for titles that will be shown at E3. These forecasts were developed independently and long before E3.
Additionally, EA then doesn't show up in fiscal Q1 with a completely different forecast 'because of E3.'
It's not like some business analyst was sweating bullets inside Sony thinking, "Oh my god, I can't forecast sales for TLOU2 because I don't know if we're going to E3 this year." They forecast sales just fine. With or without E3.
That's the point of the Tweet you quoted.
Maybe time will give us the answer, but i doubt that is the case, e3 is just a very small factor to take into consideration when gauging all that has real impact in a console being successful. It is just a very tiny part of the full equation despite some pretending (like last year) this is some of unmissable event.
Is the content that makes the event important, not the other way round, and as long as Sony has a way to communicate when needed, there's nothing to worry about
Is the content that makes the event important, not the other way round, and as long as Sony has a way to communicate when needed, there's nothing to worry about
E3 2013 they follow ms with this is how you share games in ps4 and the box is 399. It was a fatality on ms with a flawless victory.
Sorry did not mean to offend but see my above post and then see the e3 of dreams 2015. Sony did an amazing job this gen with the points you made, but E3 were their haymakers in my opinion. They were their knock out blows.
All just my personal opinion but I was a manager at a games store in the uk the year the ps4 launched. Day in and day out their e3 was brought up, pre orders were over 5 to one in favour of ps4 to xbox at my store thanks to my push and disgust with MSs policies and sheer incompetence, It was savage.I completely flipped to being completely pro playstation, pushing pre orders to the console. It got me a pretty good bonus for securing the most pre orders in my region that xmas though.
It took me well over 6 months to buy an xbox one and I normally buy every console at launch.
Basically we was very important. I still think it is. I'm interested to see how it goes.
I suppose we could drop e3 and get obsessed with instagram posts, instead.
Writing on my phone this evening so apologies if it's a bit shit.
That's what Sony fans continually bring up.
Not the massive price difference
It's their product and their business model - they can do what they want. While I don't like it, they will more than likely be fine without going. I'm sure their internal research team has study the trends and came to this conclusion.
It's okay, the importance of E3 to me just seems overstated. One of my friends was a manager at a games store as well around that time. The Xbox One was a bit of a turd at launch, so you did not miss anything by waiting. He got a launch Xbox One and basically brought it over to my house with all the launch games to borrow (he wanted to play it on my TV since his was a POS). We played Forza for a few hours and had fun, got frustrated with the Kinect a bit, then checked out the TV features and other games. I had a launch PS4 and most of the multiplatform games we had already played the week before. A few days later it was just sitting there collecting dust so I packed it up and gave it back to him. I remember it because I had never had a console that I did not play to death when I got it. I think I stayed up 24 hours straight when I got my 360 and Chromehounds.
Anyways, no worries.
You cannot boil the entire generation down to one conference, no matter what fanboys of a system say.
What are you talking about?
Ive seen at least half a dozen posts saying how Xbox had a horrible event E3 and didn't take advantage of Sony not being there... I thought it was pretty good for a gap year.
There's a post literally above you saying ms missed a free penalty kick on some meme shit
Eh, I don't find not thinking MS hit it out the park last year to be hate. But that's fine if you do.
Sony doesn't need E3, but they are taking a big risk in that it's about to be the start of a new console generation. I fully expect PS5 to be revealed in February like they did with PS4. If they were smart, they would have another event during E3 week like EA's event, which technically isn't part of E3 but is held during the same week. I think if they do just a random State of Play that aren't going to get as many eyeballs as they would if they had a press event during E3 week and when you have a new console coming out you need all the help and marketing you can get. MS isn't playing around this gen and are hungry. A State of Play is going to get you a bunch of views from Sony fans and hardcore gamers. E3 gets you views from more than just that core group if you will.
No they are definitely wrong.
This is the first time I'll get behind this "arrogant Sony" idea. The hell are they doing.
This is the first time I'll get behind this "arrogant Sony" idea. The hell are they doing.
Yeah I am pretty sure the Death Stranding trailer had more views than any of the Xbox stuff barring Cyberpunk 2077.
I like arrogant Sony as long as they can deliver after this long wait.
I'm sure myself and the 106 million other people who bought a PS4 were thinking of Sony's E3 win in 2013 and not about the games like GOW and TLOU2 that we wanted to play. What a ridiculous thing to say lol.
You guys act like most gamers out there even watch E3 or care about the stuff that goes on there. Most people just watch the trailers that come outta there and that's about it. The "E3 wins" and drama only matters to forum goers like us.
Haha, yeah I can imagine an xbox one at launch would have been poop. Once I got mine I ended up really quite enjoying ryse, dead rising 3, forza and titanfall.
My ps4 was immense thanks to ass creed iv at 1080p. Was very happy with that.
I dont think it was one conference but was those three years leading upto the e3 of dreams 2015 imo. They've been riding that wave well into 2020.
They've also been constantly releasing well regarded games for most of the generation. Again, I just find it ridiculous to pin Sony's PS4 success on a single trade show. Does it help? Sure, but it isn't as make or break as you are making it seem. Messaging has way more of an impact.
It's not right or wrong to not be at E3. Sony has a lot of pull in the industry, so they dont really need E3 to show their stuff. On the other hand E3 is a good moment to show their stuff if theyre ready.