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Is MicroLED TV going to be here before Next Gen hits its groove?
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I think this is a rather optimistic take. Think about OLED, they've been working on it for ages and it barely reaches affordable prices now.
MicroLED or anything similar to it will be the next big thing in the Display market, but as of now they aren't easy to produce. I hope I'm wrong about the time frame.
I'd wait til Samsung releases their 75" 4K model to make any predictions. If that thing's $100k+ you're like a decade away from "affordable" ($2-3k). If it's $30k - 50k you may see $2 - 3k displays by 2025/2026.
I take it you're assuming they're going to 100% solve the seam/gap issue of slotting the mLED panels together? Cause as it stands right now, the almost infinitesimal risk of burn in doesn't even amount to a fart in the wind against the comically terrible panel uniformity of existing mLED's.
I take it you're assuming they're going to 100% solve the seam/gap issue of slotting the mLED panels together? Cause as it stands right now, the almost infinitesimal risk of burn in doesn't even amount to a fart in the wind against the comically terrible panel uniformity of existing mLED's.
Infinitesimal? Ive already seen several OLED TVs with burn in. The one my parents had to get replaced due to the massive burnt in bar at the bottom of the screen, the other one they have with the channel logos burnt in on the bottom right, and my own tv, the one I've been babying since I got it which left the freaking YouTube app yellow and green buttons there to be seen for the rest of its lifetime.
Burn in is extremely real on OLEDs and it'll happen sooner or later in some way to every owner. Wether they notice, care or are bothered by it is another story and I'd still rather have this than an lcd with grey blacks and horrible uniformity
I'm wondering what display technology will be able to give us the amazing motion clarity of CRT displays. I don't know if micro LED will be the one, but I'd like to think it'll get us closer.
It's going to suffer the same issues as OLED (nearly instantaneous switching in a sample and hold world). I guess the wildcard would be just how bright these things could be. If they were insanely bright, you could do low persistence flashing that would still yield a bright picture.
This would bother people who were sensitive to flickering, but CRT were flicker monsters. That's why their motion resolution was so good.
Keep an eye on NAB in April, pretty unlikely we're seeing a consumer set until there's a professional reference model.
Just imagine the manufacturing process for putting together millions of small LEDs to create 1 panel.
I think that is still the biggest challenge on whether this ever becomes mainstream tech.
I think that is still the biggest challenge on whether this ever becomes mainstream tech.
Probably not until 2025 at the earliest. It also depends on what a person's definition of "affordable" is. To me, $2,000 for a 65'' is still pricey, but that's what I would expect to pay 2-3 years after the first good consumer sets arrive, and the quality would be worth it to me as long as the yield rates aren't poor. If you're talking mid-range brands, then it will probably be closer to 2030.
I know the Crystal LED sets currently in production each of the RGB LED is only 0.003 square millimeters, making up 1% of each "cell" for each pixel. The remaining 99% is all black. Even if they were able to stuff pixels closer together the amount of black would still be extremely high so that's one plus for them I suppose. The only problems there of course are the manufacturing of denser number of LEDs on the wafer and heat generation.
As he mentions in the video I hope there are some breakthroughs in the tech in the very near future.
So far the micro led seem to only have commercial screen applications. Lets hope there's some breakthrough in manfufacturing of these things. It's strange, but OLED didn't have this trajectory. As far, as I know, it was never much used for commercial applications. Micro LED almost seems naturally better suited to that purpose than for a home TV
where are you getting this nonsense about oled panels?
and microled isn't coming any time soon. that shit is years away
and microled isn't coming any time soon. that shit is years away
Honestly I think OLED will end up following more of a plasma-esque arc. If/when manufacturing microLED is figured out, OLED will likely die out pretty quickly (at least as far as TVs go, unfortunately I get the feeling we'll be stuck with burn-in prone phones a fair bit longer), since microLED is supposed to have all the same upsides with none of the downsides.
Micro led is a good 10+ years off. It has severe manufacturing problems. they can't pack the led diode (pitch size) close enough to make an 8k or 4k screen that you could fit in your living room, which why you only see 150in and up sizes.They are basically making these by hand right now. The yields are high which jacks up the price 100k-300k. Right now its only for show floors and football stadiums. In comparison Sony made the first 13 inch 0led tv in 2007, its just now getting to point where its affordable next 2 years it will hit mass market, it will replace LCD , less parts cheaper to make. Oled is going to be around for a while. Microled might come faster because theres a lot companies that want to take the crown lg. Basically companies are partnering up just like what they did when they were trying to figure out oled.
Was going to post the LTT video but yea microled is a good 5-7 years away from the consumer market and probably another 3-5 years on top of that before becoming affordable to a wider audience. Display tech takes quite a long time to mature and almost always takes years longer than predicted.
Probably not going to be here in time for when next gen hits its stride, not at this rate anyway. I'd love to invest in one but it'll probably cost an insane amount for years after it's even out.
I'm not overly confident that my OLED will last me until MicroLED becomes consumer-ready, and I've toyed with the idea of selling it in exchange for a halfway-decent QLED, or maybe even a short-throw projector. I'd be okay with the 'downgrade' for the time being, at least until an OLED alternative without the shortcomings becomes financially viable.
I'm not overly confident that my OLED will last me until MicroLED becomes consumer-ready, and I've toyed with the idea of selling it in exchange for a halfway-decent QLED, or maybe even a short-throw projector. I'd be okay with the 'downgrade' for the time being, at least until an OLED alternative without the shortcomings becomes financially viable.
Agreed, I used to think OLED was the future. Now I believe it is microLED
I finally got out of retail. So now I can keep my misinformed opinions to myself. :)
Whatever ends up being the "ultimate" display tech, I hope it won't take that long but above all, that it'll make even Digital Foundry themselves confirm that CRTs have finally been surpassed in absolutely every aspect.
Oled was created in the SDR era wich was around the 100 nits requirment. Now a days games or hollywood movies will aim for that 1500 nits plus up to 4k nits. HDR is the downfall of oled. Not to mention burn in
OLED has peaked. Unfortunately, I don't want to deal with the prices they are still at and I want an upgrade for the new gen. I'm gonna have to get a stop-gap for in between now and MicroLED. Idk what that is yet, though. I know it needs VRR and HDMI 2.1 to satisfy me for future-proofing.
I work with big LED installations and over the last 10 years seeing outdoor mobile tech go from 20mm pitch (distance between the center point of two adjacent LEDs) to 6mm and indoor stuff go beyond 2mm has been great (it's also become a lot more reliable and the software has become leagues better)
I know there's a big leap from 2mm SMD to microLED but the 2mm wall stuff around now is mindblowing and the ultra low resolution (compared to what we''re used to with our tellies) is more than made up for by having a screen as big as you want it.
I know there's a big leap from 2mm SMD to microLED but the 2mm wall stuff around now is mindblowing and the ultra low resolution (compared to what we''re used to with our tellies) is more than made up for by having a screen as big as you want it.
Nits aren't everything in HDR. There is a reason professional reviewers recommends 700 nits OLEDs over 1500 nits LEDs.
Micro-LEDs are closer to OLEDs in how they work but should avoid OLED's burn-in and brightness issues. You're thinking of Mini-LED which is just better FALD backlights. I think we will have a PS5 Pro before Micro-LED is available in anything but expensive top tier 55+ inch TVs especially with the way manufacturers are pushing for 8K now.
If you want a display with very little drawbacks for gaming, buy an OLED LG C9 now or the CX model later in the year. Sure, it doesn't get as bright as some LCD TVs and may have burn in years along the line but those seem to me like perfectly acceptable tradeoffs for having great contrast, black levels, HDR without halos, low input lag, sub-1ms pixel response time, 120 Hz input and VRR support. You aren't going to get all that in any LCD anytime soon.
microLED isn't LCD though. The pixels are composed of sets of individual LEDs.
You're probably thinking of the confusingly similarly named mini LED, which is an LCD with a ton of dimming zones.
I'm no expert but it feels to me like it's 5-8yrs away to me. There are still a lot of hurdles to jump over.
Microled is probably better for replacing LCD panels on PC monitors due to less chance of burn in compared to OLED. At this point it feels like we'll be stuck with LCD forever. Have to love how they've changed the name of LCD TV's to "LED" to confuse people.
A large part of DF's love affair is that CRT doesn't have a fixed resolution.
Even when we're all having our displays projected into our retinas, I'm not sure anything will ever top CRT in that aspect.
On one hand you are correct on what I'm thinking about.
On the other I'm thinking about it in the way which may actually have a cost suitable for mass market - meaning no colored LEDs, just the light, through your usual LCD matrix. Colored micro LED will probably always be too expensive for a 4K+ screens.
It's also worth noting that a micro-LED screen with >8M elements will probably consume A LOT of electricity.
It does seem weird. People are claiming they'll use much less than OLED, but the prototype at CES was using a ridiculous amount. One more huge problem that needs to be solved (among the many).
Yet HDR on Oleds tend to look much better than it does on most LCDs due to better contrast and better control over lighting.
Hmm, fun video on the CLED display and how it can be used in making movies from CES:
As excited as I am for this tech to be in my home, I'm also excited to see if more movie theaters will adopt the tech to replace their screen and projectors. I'd love it if I could watch a movie on something like this:
The CLED thing from CES is more or less how they did The Mandalorian. I know the Corridor Crew talked about it a few times, but it's awesome to see this happen because it lets you have a set that is like the painted backdrops of old that is right there and kind of practical but still virtual in that it's not a physical set. It lets you get a CG set built and have it blend with your footage a lot better and easier than doing the whole thing green and adding it later. It also costs less to do in many cases.
the Mandalorian was made with projectors (from the back I think) rather than LED walls. makes for a cheaper solution, I guess
EDIT: nope, looks like I was mistaken, it was led walls
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