Yeah op is clearly trolling/not arguing in good faith or just hasn't actually played very much
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Is it time for FromSoft to invest more in their graphics tech?
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Nah sekiro loooa amazing. Are you really comparing sekiro to linear FPS game and Dark souls 1/2?? Play dark souls 1 again and see how much progress From has made in the graphics department hell I'm amazed it looks this good considering I didn't think Bloodborne was that pretty. Joke thread.
A game with a substantially larger budget behind a first party meant as a showcase for the hardware, first and foremost.
Exactly this. Look at fine details and the pixelations and jagged edges really show. It's not graphically impressive by any means, and many other games are miles ahead in that department. And despite that they still have big performance issues, so it really is a case of they're not good, and have never been good at, optimization of their games.
"Graphics don't matter. Except when they do."
Okay, what exactly is the criteria here then? Cause at this point it seems like any examples presented is going to have some reason against it.
BAckfire means 90 percent of people disagree with you. Maybe 85 posts disagree with you and 5 agree. Just take the L dog.
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they always matter and will always do.. Its a visual medium, you need to convey the information you want to the player.
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My topic was a question. It can't backfire, kid.
hahaha no.
The character modelling? Yeah, far ahead of it. Level design and modelling?
Sekiro's is next gen compared to DMCV's.
All of their games this generation look stunning. Performance hiccups aside, their art direction is second to none, and Sekiro incorporates a lot of more modern techniques like temporal anti aliasing that eliminates the shimmering found in BB and DS3. Plus these games have very complex geometry that can be seen from miles away and unlike most games it's not just for show; if you can see it, you can go there. From the highest point of Ashina Castle you can see a good chunk of the world.
That's not to say that there isn't room for improvement, but they are proof of how brilliant design and intelligent use of scale, perspective and attention to detail can go a long way.
I definitely prefer the look of their games to certain big name high budget games that are impressive on a technical level and look really expensive but end up being bland and samey.
That's not to say that there isn't room for improvement, but they are proof of how brilliant design and intelligent use of scale, perspective and attention to detail can go a long way.
I definitely prefer the look of their games to certain big name high budget games that are impressive on a technical level and look really expensive but end up being bland and samey.
I agree 100%. But it's something I have seen a lot here and in the old place over the years. Some people go crazy about graphics in certain situations, only to downplay them in others.
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Yeah, you're not worth anyone's time. It's obvious the topic is about your opinion, and not a question.
But please continue to pretend no one is telling you you're wrong so you can pretend your dick is big or something and sekiro sucks.
OP is claiming that Sekiro is an outdated looking game and that From needs to invest (spend money) in graphics tech.
Not only does Sekiro look improved from BB/DS3 in many areas, he made poor comparisons. Horizon is a much better comparison and one main reason horizon is the visual showcase it is is because of its budget.
This is more of an opinion, but I think Sekiro is the better looking game in terms of art direction. It has a visual identity that Horizon kind of lacks, even with its impressive technical aspects.
Sekiro honestly feels almost like a generational leap technically compared to their previous titles, at least on PC. Not sure what you're on about.
I wouldn't say hilariously but it's definitely a standard thing that's lacking. I wonder what's the reason behind it such as From not having a rig and lip animation tech to hook it up to.
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This is exactly how I feel. I'd rather they pour more time into optimization than trying to compete graphically with other game dev studios that have larger coffers to spend.
You're crazy. Bloodborne and Dark Souls III were both a massive step up from the last gen From Software games. The geometry in the environments is way more complex and there is so much more detail throughout the levels. The lighting, character models, texture work... so much better.
They do need to work on their tech but not from a graphical standpoint. They need to figure out how to make a game with proper frame pacing. Their art direction is incredible and their tech does not let that direction down one bit in terms of fidelity.
Everything I've seen of Sekiro indeed looks to be a notable step up compared to From's previous efforts. It is something I hope continues to improve as they get bigger and bigger budgets for their games. Admittedly, I was hoping for more tho considering Activision backing em.
Graphics can be more or less important to the same person across different games.
I want a big budget game like Horizon to look good, because that's part of what it's trying to do. The impressive graphics there are part of what I'm buying the game for.
I could not give less of a shit how graphically impressive Downwell is because I'm not playing that game to be impressed by its good graphics. Artstyle sure, but not graphics.
People don't need to have the exact same wants and focus on every single game. They aren't robots.
I agree that the engine needs some work in the performance department, but the art design is generally very good, and I'm surprised that there is so little focus on the incredible animation work. Everything flows and reacts so well. There are flashier games out there, but Sekiro is doing some advanced stuff.
Not sure if you've actually played DMC5.
DMC5 does have character models that you might argue that look ''a gen ahead'' but the levels themselves looks noticeably worse then Sekrio from both an art and tehnical perspective.
Not to mention they're diffrent games built diffrently. Even that good fidelty does come with a price since DMC5 has constant loading screens for the most basic things like loading up the shop or going form cutscenes to actual gameplay.
While in Sekiro the only loading screens that you get is when you first load up the game and when you die/port between the idols.
Fair enough. I just think the From games, even on console are far from ugly. From chooses to divert more time and effort to art direction over visual fidelity and I honestly prefer that.
If anything, as others have pointed out, performance is the main technical piece from should focus more on.
The thing is, the game runs amazingly well on PC.
It seems like their games may be CPU bottlenecked and the processors on these current consoles are notoriously poor. There's room for improvement but at some point the current hardware will always prove to be a barrier.
From a pure visuals standpoint (as in, looking at screenshots and not the game in motion on a console) their games look amazing IMO. Serkiro is beautiful. Bloodborne has one of the most consistently impressive artstyles I've ever seen in gaming.
It seems like their games may be CPU bottlenecked and the processors on these current consoles are notoriously poor. There's room for improvement but at some point the current hardware will always prove to be a barrier.
From a pure visuals standpoint (as in, looking at screenshots and not the game in motion on a console) their games look amazing IMO. Serkiro is beautiful. Bloodborne has one of the most consistently impressive artstyles I've ever seen in gaming.
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Horizon is actually a poor comparison since it is a much larger game which is open world and has many dynamic systems in place that Sekiro lacks. But I guess it's a good example to show how much better a far more complex game looks than FromSofts output.
Visually they're fine, but my god does the engine need tweaking or gutting and reworking for performance. Framerate is all over the fucking shop.
Horizon is not a worse comparison than DMCV, which is very literally as linear a game can be without being on-rails.
I think they need to work on improving both, graphics and performance. Hopefully next-gen and bigger budgets for them will help them achieve that.
I believe they might be. Deraciné PSVR was their first trial project towards it. Sekiro might be the last game on their current tech.
I'm just wondering why Sekiro only has an Intro CG when FromSoftware opened up a branch just for CG (or something)
I think you need to go back and play their last gen titles. DS2 looked downright ugly at parts.
Id absolutely not object to them
Improving visual fidelity but that's much lower on the list of improvements From should focus on for me. I still think Sekiro is downright stunning in some areas, granted that's on PC.
Art direction goes a long way, and as I said earlier From's art direction is top notch. All the more reason I want to see the graphics boosted for them.
This.
It's getting ridiculous. AAA graphics won't be applied to every game across the board due to a myriad of reasons, and no game should be judged as inferior if it just doesn't look as good as another game.
My only complaint would be too many areas that are just pitch black and I literally can't play those areas during the day. Give me some candles in the environment or something. Some areas have them and then others are just voids. Otherwise their graphics and art design are great and suit the games perfectly.
The idea that Sekiro doesn't look much better than last gen is absurd. They have similar art style sure; they are both semi-fantastical representations of real world medieval periods, but on a technical level Sekiro and Bloodborne are clearly beyond Demon's or Dark Souls.