Kind of. Well, Ito's wasn't. Del Toro leaked that after the game was cancelled, but he was never formally announced as part of the team.
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Is it safe to say that P.T started the whole; first person psycho horror, walking around a haunted house genre?
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Kind of. Well, Ito's wasn't. Del Toro leaked that after the game was cancelled, but he was never formally announced as part of the team.
What?
Metal Gear Solid’s Hideo Kojima working on new Silent Hill
Mysterious PS4 demo teases Guillermo del Toro, Norman Reedus involvement as well.
arstechnica.com
people knew about del toro in the very same day
What?
Metal Gear Solid’s Hideo Kojima working on new Silent Hill
Mysterious PS4 demo teases Guillermo del Toro, Norman Reedus involvement as well.
people knew about del toro in the very same day
I said Del Toro leaked Ito's involvement. Ito was never announced to be part of the project.
Oh, i read your post in a weird way and looked like you were saying del toro wasnt announced, my bad. Yeah i dont think he got any announcement and its not like theres anything in PT per se that links to him, his weight was more after the cancellation being confirmed
Of course it's childish. That was the point.
I'm not the one saying people should do "their research" over a damn game.
In the later years of this hobbies, even the more nicher games can get very popular. Look at how big the "historical simulator grand strategy" genre is, and I still bet you it's like, what, 5% of enthusiasts that actually know a lot of that genre?
The point is: people care way too much about this. OP was wrong, but it largely doesn't matter. And the fact that people think that PT was a revolution and invented a genre shows how much PT made its mark into gaming as a whole.
No, it's the kids that are out of touch!
The kids love first person horror games like Bendy, FNAF and Secret Neighbour though. Checkmate
I don't know if I agree 100% (I voted Yes) but there's a point. There was some trend after PT. I think that there wouldn't have been first person RE without PT, for example.
I'm not trying to discredit Amnesia, but I think you're overestimating its popularity.The first one sold around 1.4 million copies(by 2012) so it wasn't THAT popular.
I think it's quite debatable actually that something like Amnesia didn't leave as big of a mark. It's clearly well enough known here to handily cause OPs poll to trend against the idea of PT being that start of the subgenre, or even really having popularised it. Also the fact that PT was even intended to "blend in" in the first place implies something before had enough impact for there to even be a generic template for such an experiment to ape.
I'd go further and argue that it's more of a typical bubble view of a forum like this to even have such a question posed, such as the poster that chimed in before to declare how PlayStation is was so much bigger than PC gaming as for why PT would have more of an impact. A console centric forum, that tends to lean towards PlayStation consoles is far more likely to overestimate the influence of a game that originated on console than one that originated on PC.
A lot of PT's notoriety comes from what it was revealed to actually be, rather than the horror experience within the game itself. It's legacy is stronger as a ARG that the community worked to solve, and as an example of a game that was available only for a specific window of time. That doesn't mean it hasn't influenced and inspired other horror games since, but what it represented as a horror game within the genre is not as strong as it's legacy as a cancelled Hideo Kojima take on Silent Hills that the community worked out in real time. Amnesia's influence is primarily on the subgenre itself, and as people has mentioned it trended far and wide across content creators for that purpose.
Ah! Got me there, friend. Fortnite it's as Gen Z as I can get. That's my limit.
I knew someone would post this lol
What do you not understand that these are not niche games or genres?
These games get up to 250 Million clicks on youtube on a single video.
They are the mainstream.
And "it largely doesn't matter?"
Like no one here wants to sentence OP to the boats because of it.
People are just responding to the very premise of this thread
The game reached a much bigger audience because it was the go to horror reaction game. PT did something similar but with less impact.
RE7 was always going to pivot to First Person, RE7 was well into development when PT was released. The Kitchen demo came mere months after PT lol
People are forgetting SCP-087.
SCP-087: a stairwell that never ends (2012)
P.T: a hallway that never ends (2014)
SCP-087: a stairwell that never ends (2012)
P.T: a hallway that never ends (2014)
You know, I'm not entirely sure it's a bubble thing really. PT was really really big because of the intense quick word of mouth it got and then the explosion of actually being a Teaser for Silent Hills. But shit like Lisa and the baby and the weirdness of the game was def something that helped it being a hip thing for the moments it wasn't a teaser. It had that "it" factor that some games have from time to time.
The cancellation of the project only cemented the fact that people that wasn't into these genres could be interested in experiences like these. PT helped the genre a lot to cross from a subgenre and bringing new people. I do agree that the fact that it tried to hide under the box of an already popular genre (ah, get it?) shows that it was a big genre from before. But I think that even being big, it became bigger or more "mainstream" (god I hate that word) with PT and it's cancellation.
The genre existed before P.T, I watched at that time many youtuber playing these type of games . But sure, P.T. has helped the popularity of the genre a lot. I remember when the demo came out how many people around me were talking about it who are not usually interested in horror games.
This shows how people don't actually play games if they believe PT was revolutionary or invented a genre lol
What are you even defining as being "really really big"? Like... this is the whole debate. You are suggesting that it's not really a bubble by defining it's massive impact on a certain sphere that you haven't defined as not being a bubble. What "quick word of mouth" happened? What "explosion" occurred? If you are referring to Sony/Kojima/Silent Hill fans at places like NeoGAF and subsequently ResetEra then yeah. Absolutely. PT had a massive impact. On gaming as a whole?
Wrong. P.T. did have a tremendous influence on the horror game genre and that's not to discount any of the games that came before it (Frictional games output, Alien). If you're not paying attention to the indie horror game scene then I can't blame you for this blind spot but stuff like Visage, LoF and the recent Madison are absolutely influenced by PT.
Yeah I was gonna come in here to say this, while they existed before Amnesia I think the way that Amnesia blew up on twitch made devs realize the genre had a lot more marketability and was less niche than they probably originally thought.
I have absolutely no memory of which game started this genre, and I dare not descend into the darkness of its origins.
Fatal Frame 2 on the OG Xbox had a first-person mode back in 2004. So no, it definitely wasn't a new concept. And I'm sure there were others before that.
It wasn't a niche genre though. First person defenseless stream friends games was dominating the horror game genre and was super successful. It is only super recently that games like RE2 marked a shift in the genre.
1,4mil copies in less than 2 years is really good for an indie horror from a studio who mainly did niche physics-puzzle horror games up until that point.
Last we heard, Alien Isolation sold about 2mil copies and that's a very highly rated AAA game.
The genre isn't niche. It's huge. Just not on forums like this that have a heavy slant towards consoles and specific types of games. Some of the biggest games in the world barely get mentioned on this forum. People had no clue what CrossFire was when the sequel was shown at Microsoft's show even though it used to be one of the biggest online games in the world. Just not on consoles and not in western circles.
How often do people talk about Five Nights at Freddy's? Which coincidentally came out close to PT. Here's Todd McFarlane about it in 2017, 3 years after the first game released: http://monkeysfightingrobots.co/exclusive-nycc-todd-mcfarlane-interview/
Are people forgetting that this was a demo whereas Amnesia was a real game that sold over a million copies and was ported to every platform in existence?
You don't remember how many people were streaming the game on Twitch and other platforms trying to figure out how to progress in the game? It wasn't just a GAF thing. This happened during E3, and the whole gaming community was talking about it. And yes, it did explode into the mainstream once it became clear that it was Silent Hills with freaking Norman Reedus as the protagonist and Guillermo del Toro as co-creator. It totally had an impact on gaming as a whole.
E3 hype!?!? The WHOLE gaming community!?!? Well, I'm convinced.
Hard to compare for such a short experience, but the question I want to know is: Has it ever been beat? I've yet to play a horror game in that style that topped the experience of P.T.
someone saying that people should do more research in a subject isn't as agressive as you think it is, especially in a forum about, you know, videogames.
Well I'm glad I convinced you. Now I can sleep happy knowing that a random person on the internet thinks what I think they should think. The whole reason of my existence is now complete.
Farewell, Youngblood.
It spawned a tonne of clones and was one of the most influential games of the 2010s, but despite the major impact, it's not solely responsible. Resident Evil 7, for example, came out in 2017 and (contrary to popular misconception) it wasn't inspired by P.T. at all.
In all seriousness, are you afraid of losing your mod status or being fined or something if you just admit you were wrong? There's countless examples from Condemned to Amnesia to Outlast which came, at minimum, over a year before PT which were all popular.
Or you have Five Nights at Freddy's which was a week before PT and continues to be one of the biggest gaming properties.
If anything PT felt like it was trying to disguise itself as something like Amnesia to trojanhorse in that it was a new Silent Hill. It just seems really strange you can't just admit you were mistaken. I'm wrong all the time and admit it plenty.
Not sure why so glib. It was zeitgeist it was intriguing and hype.
I kinda feel like this whole convo needed a slight amount of nuance and detail but people are being very binary about it. Like it was either the invention of bread or a fraudulent piece of trash. PT was a fun surprise with a big communal aspect. Every "normie" or "casual" gamer I've spoken to at work or out and about knows about it. It definitely was a moment and it definitely inspired some devs.
I honestly admit I'm probably being too snarky, But I feel like the point is pressing you on thinking a bit longer and harder on pondering "are you sure this was as big a deal outside your bubble than you think?" Like... this is hard. We all live in a bubble. I absolutely exist in a bubble on many things. I try to step out of that bubble to assess what the mainstream perspective is on things when needed. But even then, am I really succeeding?
I feel like your response is just to go "no, it was a pretty big deal. I remember." And it's honestly not clear to me how hard you are really trying to step outside of your own shoes to make that assessment. It's entirely possible that I'm being unfair. It's silly for me to try to be the arbitrator of what was and wasn't a big deal in 2014 video game hype. But I really feel like you are not considering the extent to which you may, just may have been influenced by the bubble within which you viewed the reception of gaming news as it impacted more mainstream sources.
Like if you linked a "here's TIME magazine describing PT as the biggest gaming event of the decade" article I might go "holy shit my 38 year old brain is completely failing me. PT WAS a gigantic deal!!!"
Even the first Silent Hill game had a brief first person segment (and a glitchy first person mode), which was expanded on in Siren and Gravity Daze.
View: https://youtu.be/yNPBomHU36A
View: https://youtu.be/VhLhD45-lZI
So when referring to it being a bubble thing, I'm talking less about the flash hype of "omfg! It was really Silent Hills! By Kojima! With Del Toro!!" and more the kinda talk that we're actually having as a topic of this thread where the implications of a longer term impact is being discussed.
I already acknowledge that there definitely was a lot of hype and coverage about PT turning out to be Silent Hills. But attributing the fact that many people got excited over what was effectively a teaser for a new entry into what actually is a truly influential classic horror IP isn't the same thing as that interactive teaser itself changing the future landscape of the genre much.
The bubble aspect is where members of a community such as this can often pay little to no attention to subgenres that are plenty healthy and thriving, until something comes along which places it on their radar for a different reason (Sony + Kojima + Del Toro, for example). So now, because this type of game is suddenly on their radar, anything that comes after it is attributed to having been influenced by the first thing they actually paid attention to the existence of, regardless of how many prior notable examples exist. OP already started implying the Resident Evil 7 adopted a first person viewpoint as a result of PT, despite interviews existing that prove this not to be the case at all. Someone who paid attention to the subgenre prior to PT's reveal, and saw titles like Amnesia, Condemned, Outlast, etc all finding success for themselves, would likely be a whole lot less likely to see Resident Evil 7 and attribute it's existence to PT specifically. And you know one of the main types of people that are likely to have actually paid attention to a subgenre and be well aware of prior examples within it? The people that create such games.
PT did it for the audience that visits here. Gaming enthusiasts that care about only AAA gaming. Kojima, Sony, and Del Toro. It ain't the driving force in the genre when the real trendsetters was Amnesia, followed by FNAF. We're the old men now and some of us haven't realized it yet.
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You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think Amnesia, one of the first big games to catch popularity as "YouTuber games", which basically raised and informed a generation of people that consume video game content, didn't "leave a big of a mark" compared to P.T.
This isn't even getting to the absolute phenomenon that was Slender. Ask someone who was a child or a teen ~8-10 years ago what P.T. is, they might know what you're talking about. Ask them what Slender is and they almost assuredly will know.
