But according to lots of posters here. Their family members are the "good" republicans.
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Is it possible to be a Republican and not be a bad person?
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But according to lots of posters here. Their family members are the "good" republicans.
This is a good point. Every single person here is complicit in some form of ignorance that stems from evil. Like supporting the murder and horrific torture of thousands of innocent animals and contributing to climate change just because you like the taste of meat. Or buying electronics made in China by Uighur slaves.
You can try to live a eco-conscious life, but it's difficult and much easier to rely on normalized societal habits. Being a Republican, in many parts of the USA, is a societal habit and a product of their surroundings, especially when their news is filtered through a conservative lens.
We see a lot of atrocities that Republicans commit because they are highlighted to us on a regular basis. A random person in Wyoming won't receive nearly as much exposure. Like how North Koreans continue to support Kim Jong Un despite his heinous crimes. If you don't understand the depths of their evil, it's very easy to tacitly support something if everyone around you also supports it.
Nope. I've yet to hear a convincing argument stating how you can vote for fascists and not support fascism, and how supporting fascism is not evil or horrible. If you want to make that argument though go for it.
Nope, and it's not the point. Being a fiscal conservative is just as reprehensible for example.
An ex-neonazi isn't a neonazi. An ex-Republican isn't a Republican. There are no goid Neonazis and there are no good Republicans.
Then don't. My first reply wasn't even directed to you in the first place and then you dissed my cousin out of nowhere.
I'm sorry that you think an entire person's moral compass is based upon their political beliefs. Attaching yourself that much to it can be toxic regardless of which side you're on. It's almost as bad as when people told me I'm going to hell because I'm not christian or catholic.
A lot of my fellow white people don't realize that "good person" and "nice to me/likes me" aren't the same thing
American politics are so messed up people will identify themselves as one thing, even if they don't support or follow it. Arnold Schwarzenegger is pretty lib, but still holds onto the label even though Republicans hate him and he rarely sides with them. My mom supports Socialist policies and voted for Bernie in the primary, but she still personally calls herself a Republican because I guess that's what she labeled herself as growing up.
So can someone "be" a Republican and still be a good person? Yes. Maybe they're confused or trying to change what Republican values are supposed to be, but they can definitely be good people. Can they be a Trump supporter and still be a good person though? Hell no. I still believe even they have the chance to change though.
So can someone "be" a Republican and still be a good person? Yes. Maybe they're confused or trying to change what Republican values are supposed to be, but they can definitely be good people. Can they be a Trump supporter and still be a good person though? Hell no. I still believe even they have the chance to change though.
my take on most republicans you'll run into in day to day life, and in real life not on r/thedonald or 4chan or whatever
whenever this comes up on era i feel like everybody's posting from a co-op in vermont or something
All 75 million voted to continue Trump( and Miller)'s policies, which are flatly evil.
FWIW, I don't think people in Middle Eastern countries see Democrats as any better than Republicans.
Okay, so explain how it isn't. Trump is a serial sexual assaulter, this is fact. By casting a vote for him, you would have to be okay with that. This is not something he ever apologized for or even acknowledged as a bad thing. Please explain how by voting in the affirmative, by taking a deliberate action for someone who has done that, how thy would not be okay with sexual assault. This is of course just one example but we can stick with this one for now.
If your moral compass said sexual assault was bad, you would not be able to cast that vote.
I'm just tired of people making excuses for republicans because they're related to them. That's doesn't excuse them or make them a "good" republican.
How could you seriously not think a person's political beliefs are a reflection of a persons personal beliefs? Do you not understand politics? A person's greed, selfishness, racism, etc are reflected in our political system and policies.
The we use "bad person" as if people are comic book villains is silly anyway.
I don't think you can vote for the current GOP and still be an intelligent, informed and moral person, but lot's of people do highly immoral stuff and are still outwardly nice, polite people, who are also capable of doing unquestionably good things.
I don't think you can vote for the current GOP and still be an intelligent, informed and moral person, but lot's of people do highly immoral stuff and are still outwardly nice, polite people, who are also capable of doing unquestionably good things.
maybe(I was pretty apathetic as far as politics goes pre-trump so never really paid much attention to this stuff)
but they sure are a lot more blatant about it nowadays at the very least
They don't have to be qanon lunatics. The Trump voters who think qanon is probably bullshit are still evil for a huge number of other reasons and they have shown it to us, proudly, for many years. Trump's rallies, as an example. And of course all over social media.
Bottom line is if you have watched Trump for 4 years - and they have been hanging on his every word and appearance and all the news surrounding him - and have seen the suffering and literal death Trump's incompetence and arrogance has caused; not to mention his overt racism, homophobia, xenophobia and blatant corruption - and after all that you decided "Yeah I want 4 more years of that" you are evil. No amount of economic anxiety will change that.
As a voter? Yes it is.
Many people are ignorant through no fault of their own. For example, some people are very religious. For some of them abortion is their number one issue. They can't fathom how it could be moral at all to kill an unborn child. Some may not be aware of the other services Planned Parenthood or other organizations provide. I would not call those people evil, just ignorant and uninformed.
As a politician though...nah. Republican politicians can go fuck themselves.
Many people are ignorant through no fault of their own. For example, some people are very religious. For some of them abortion is their number one issue. They can't fathom how it could be moral at all to kill an unborn child. Some may not be aware of the other services Planned Parenthood or other organizations provide. I would not call those people evil, just ignorant and uninformed.
As a politician though...nah. Republican politicians can go fuck themselves.
This is where a two party system shows it flaws because someone who is a republican because they are centre right is not the same as someone who is a republican because they are fascist. The same applies for centre left and beyond. Like Biden and AOC obviously do not believe in the same things.
Political alignment is a spectrum, yet because it's a two party system you are locked in to one of the two defaults.
Political alignment is a spectrum, yet because it's a two party system you are locked in to one of the two defaults.
One way to evaluate the value of a theory is to determine how you or a party would universalize such a truth.
Liberals/progressives would say with somber feeling, for it's true, we have made progress, but we still must do more and we must do better, for we all know the many evils that still haunt our society and fellow man (such as all of us typing/reading this on our IPhones which were made by modern day slaves).
Republicans and libertarians would interrupt this as further justification for their greed, cruelty and indifference. They prop this mentality up, because it is ultimately a negative vision of the world, in order to collectively devalue, and thus prevent, any good at all from ever occurring. "Who are you to critique, you profit from their suffering", as if that Is justification for doing nothing.
If one cannot see this, maybe they are not evil, but they are certainly complicit.
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You can have Republican views which is fine, but if you ignore or even defend the scummy racist shit that they do, the fuck off forever.
Also if you voted for Trump the second time, fuck off. I'm willing to at least say that some of the people who voted for him the first time were just ignorant as shit. Fool me once, etcetera.
Also if you voted for Trump the second time, fuck off. I'm willing to at least say that some of the people who voted for him the first time were just ignorant as shit. Fool me once, etcetera.
Middle East has a lot of dumb people with no need for Western intervention. I lived in Kuwait in the 2000s and a lot of people there loved Bush and supported the Iraq War. ERA likes to put a halo on everyone non-white but there are a lot of racists, religous zealots and warmongerers that would make Republicans look like saints in that region.
edit: not to say this was view was shared in every country there of course. Each country is different.
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Sure can justify caging living children. Denying poor children school lunches. Cops shooting unarmed black children...
This question doesn't actually matter that much because individuals' morality are the sums of a multitude of factors; like, some 18 year old knucklehead voting Republican because his family does isn't in the same universe as Richard Spencer. What matters more is whether or not one's actions lend towards better or worse outcomes. And voting Republican just doesn't result in better outcomes for the majority of people not just in America, but on the planet as a whole.
I think all Republican politicians are genuinely terrible by default simply by being affiliated with the party. Even the ones who try and toe the line between parties like Romney, Murkowski, etc. I just think if you have the kind of opinions/views that Republicans have, it's very hard for me to believe that you give a fuck about anyone at all. Republicans are constantly doing/supporting things that hurt the majority of citizens.
Do I know people who are Republicans who I'd consider to be good people? Sure. I'm sure there are also people who I know who I'm not aware of their political leanings who are Republicans but on the surface they're good people. That doesn't justify their shitty views though. Before Trump, I didn't really care that much who I knew who was a Republican. I didn't agree with their views, but it wasn't the end of the world. Post-Trump though, I think being a Republican means that you're okay with all the ridiculous and disgusting treatment of the American people that has only gotten worse and worse, and it caused me to look at anyone who is a Republican completely differently.
So are there "good people" who are Republicans? I guess, but they're still complicit by being affiliated with the party and supporting the party's trash policies and hatred. If I can help it, I go out of my way to avoid people that I know are Republicans now. Just not the type of people I want to be around.
Do I know people who are Republicans who I'd consider to be good people? Sure. I'm sure there are also people who I know who I'm not aware of their political leanings who are Republicans but on the surface they're good people. That doesn't justify their shitty views though. Before Trump, I didn't really care that much who I knew who was a Republican. I didn't agree with their views, but it wasn't the end of the world. Post-Trump though, I think being a Republican means that you're okay with all the ridiculous and disgusting treatment of the American people that has only gotten worse and worse, and it caused me to look at anyone who is a Republican completely differently.
So are there "good people" who are Republicans? I guess, but they're still complicit by being affiliated with the party and supporting the party's trash policies and hatred. If I can help it, I go out of my way to avoid people that I know are Republicans now. Just not the type of people I want to be around.
But also this though. Like, objectively you can't exist without at least two folks involved. Everyone who has ever lived has had family. It's irrelevant.
Nope. It's like saying you could be a good person while joining the KKK or ISIS. It's just not possible. Unless your life depended on joining the GOP or not.
Nope. If you're a republican, or rather any type of conservative at this point, you actively support anti black, anti woman, anti LGBTQ2+ and anti poor actions, and if you do so then you cannot be a good person.
And save me your replies of "Oh I have a uncle who votes republican and he's a good person!!!" because I don't care, my point still stands.
And save me your replies of "Oh I have a uncle who votes republican and he's a good person!!!" because I don't care, my point still stands.
I wanted to say you can't be informed and intelligent (and I really mean having any kind of common sense when I use the word here, not being some sort of genius), and still be moral when you vote for the current GOP.
I don't think people who are super uniformed or dumb as bricks are immoral per se, though that's a matter for debate, for sure.
You can be a republican and not vote for, nor like, Donald Trump. Again, this isn't a light switch situation.
Good human being is the wording that I used. That matters above all.
Do you see the problem with your quote when I change one word?
My parents were life long republicans of the fiscal variety. They switched their affiliation when Trump won because they woke up and realized the only thing the party stood for racism.
Anyone still a republican knows what they are, and it's not the party of low deficits.
Anyone still a republican knows what they are, and it's not the party of low deficits.
What does it mean to be republican in this sense?
-Someone who votes Republican? Does that mean they automatically agree with everything the party does?
-Someone who sat voting out but espouses ideals closer to the R side than the D one?
-Someone who hates everything the party stands for but has one pet issue, like tax breaks, which they hold near to their heart?
I don't mean to be facetious; it just seems like there's a number of interpretations. For instance, I myself am (in comparison to what I've seen on Era) a good deal more conservative, especially fiscally, but I don't agree that it automatically boils up to changes on the social side, where I am less conservative. I would also never vote R in a billion years, although I can't vote, but I considered those who sat out the vote to be just as bad as voting R.
So yeah: what does being a Republican mean?
-Someone who votes Republican? Does that mean they automatically agree with everything the party does?
-Someone who sat voting out but espouses ideals closer to the R side than the D one?
-Someone who hates everything the party stands for but has one pet issue, like tax breaks, which they hold near to their heart?
I don't mean to be facetious; it just seems like there's a number of interpretations. For instance, I myself am (in comparison to what I've seen on Era) a good deal more conservative, especially fiscally, but I don't agree that it automatically boils up to changes on the social side, where I am less conservative. I would also never vote R in a billion years, although I can't vote, but I considered those who sat out the vote to be just as bad as voting R.
So yeah: what does being a Republican mean?
Evil and goodness are some like Disney level simplification of life. Of course there are republicans that are good, just as there democrats that are bad. To think otherwise would be some insane football-esque way of viewing politics and would let far too many Democrats off the hook for the sake of having a D next to their name
Depends on how you view intentional vs unintentional effects on the world. If you think that bad people are only those who intentionally do harm to others, then sure, there are plenty of Republicans who are not bad people. If however you think that intention doesn't matter, that if the consequences of your actions are all that matter, and that if in some way your actions harm others, intentionally or not, then no. All republicans enable bad things to happen to others, and therefore would be considered bad people from that perspective.
You're talking to somebody who hates organized religion. Also, huge difference between government/politics and religion. One is a glorified cult, the other is a social construct meant to make peoples lives easier.
I put complicated because a lot of them are just stupid but with good intentions. I won't blame their moral compass for being fucking stupid, but I will absolutely tell them they're either fucking stupid or a bad person.
In current times, the two aren't too far from each other in many people's minds and that's the problem. On the current scale we are currently at the 'rooting for football teams' level of politics which doesn't vibe with me.
It's already reached that point.
My Dad is a registered Republican. He's a former architect/city planner that also worked in the CIA for a bit. About forty years ago he quit all of that because he missed art and specifically sculpture and has been running a self-made toy business that's brought an insane amount of joy to young children. He's got an incredibly loving and generous heart and lives in one of the more liberal cities in America.
He's a genuinely awesome man that calls many of those on the left his closest friends. That includes my mom.
Anyway, he's voted blue the last 4 Presidential elections and carries social liberal views.
He's a genuinely awesome man that calls many of those on the left his closest friends. That includes my mom.
Anyway, he's voted blue the last 4 Presidential elections and carries social liberal views.
