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Is it okay for survivors of sexual assault to not vote for Joe Biden?

Is it okay for survivors of sexual assault to not vote for Joe Biden?

  • Yes, it is entirely understandable for them to sit out the Presidential election.

    Votes: 374 87.0%

  • No, they should vote for Biden regardless

    Votes: 56 13.0%
  • Total voters
    430
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RedMercury

RedMercury

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We have had topic after topic of people talking about it being irresponsible of everyone to not vote for Joe Biden, or it making them Trump supporters. Some very important voices are missed in this conversation, however, and those voices are the survivors of rape and sexual assault, who seem to be lumped in with everyone else no matter the trauma they experienced and how it has shaped the way they look at things.

A lot of people make generalities about not voting, but let's try to remember this group of people for a moment. If you are willing to call them irresponsible, at least have the decency to do it publicly, right?

In this thread, please explain, if you agree they are bad or irresponsible or any other negative thing, for not wanting to vote for President why you believe that. If you do not believe it's okay for them not to vote, share why. If you are a survivor of sexual assault, please feel free if you are comfortable with adding your perspective and how all of this makes you feel.
 
Audioboxer

Audioboxer

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Nov 14, 2019
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It should be, it's not their fault, but I think everyone needs a breather and to remember the vote is months away.

Give people time to vent or to express their feelings and remember most will vote at the time.

Biden's literally just had this allegation drop, amongst his other past behaviour and folks are like "old news, get over it now, stop being privileged".
 

Deleted member 6582

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It's okay for anyone to vote however they want. That's what democracy is. What's not okay is substantial manipulation and lies particularly by those with considerable wealth to influence people.
 
MegaBeefBowl

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Oct 31, 2017
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The people who routinely suggest that it isn't okay are not going to show up here. They refuse to plainly state their intention while shaming victims through roundabout logic arguments. Why would they actually admit it?


The political side of this site is not safe for victims anymore.
 
MajesticSoup

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Feb 22, 2019
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Yea but you're showing your privilege.



EDIT: making fun of a previous thread btw.
 
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RedMercury

RedMercury

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Elandyll said:
What kind of stupid question is this?
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It's not a stupid question. https://www.resetera.com/threads/bernie-sanders-says-opposing-biden-is-'irresponsible'.185016/ Feel free to browse this thread (or similar threads), where anyone who does not want to vote for a rapist is demeaned for it. And nobody ever makes the qualifier that sexual assault victims should not fall into that category.

This thread, and the poll can show those who have had this happen to them that this is a supportive community for them to participate in, that most people do not think their trauma isn't worthy of consideration. Based on their responses, several of them feel like nobody is even considering them and they are just being thrown under the bus.
 
BDS

BDS

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's okay for ANYONE to not vote for Joe Biden. This thread means well but I dislike the emerging narrative that you need to publicly out yourself as an abuse survivor before you're allowed to not vote for him.
 
RailWays

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's absolutely okay. Hell, it's entirely okay for people to have any number of reasons to note vote for Biden. It's their vote, agency, and right in this country.

That this is even a question is sad af
 
deepFlaw

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Survivors are already being treated shittily over this on here; did you really need to try to make it worse?
 
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RedMercury

RedMercury

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BDS said:
It's okay for ANYONE to not vote for Joe Biden. This thread means well but I dislike the emerging narrative that you need to publicly out yourself as an abuse survivor before you're allowed to not vote for him.
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You don't need to do it publicly, of course not. Nobody would ever ask that of anyone.
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Survivors are already being treated shittily over this on here; did you really need to try to make it worse?
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Did you even read the OP? And that's the intention you came away with?
 
Mekanos

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This thread is well intentioned but I feel it's going to create a situation where sexual assault victims have to out themselves to give others a reason why they're not voting for Biden.
 

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BDS said:
It's okay for ANYONE to not vote for Joe Biden. This thread means well but I dislike the emerging narrative that you need to publicly out yourself as an abuse survivor before you're allowed to not vote for him.
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Reading the OP, it seems the intention is rather to say that anyone who encourages voting for Biden is demeaning abuse survivors.
 
fragamemnon

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Nov 30, 2017
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It's OK for anyone to not vote for Biden. You can't respect people's autonomy and not respect their calculus in how they decide to vote, no matter what the reason.

You can persuade and still respect that autonomy, too.
 
Speevy

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Oct 26, 2017
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It's okay for anyone to vote or not vote for anyone. You don't have to disclose your vote or explain it. It's completely anonymous. Others are free to disagree with you. I think that's how it works.
 
Clay

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Oct 29, 2017
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I don't really see how aiding Trump get re-elected, even in a small way, would make them feel better than voting for someone who is also shitty but orders of magnitude less so, but people should do what they feel comfortable with. If voting for Biden is horrible enough to justify risking another four years of a serial rapist who openly brags about assaulting women than go for it, but I hope people weigh the potential consequences of sitting the election out.

It's insane and beyond disappointing that we have an election between two men who have been accused of sexual assault, but that's where we are. It's not fair that anyone be asked to choose between the lesser of two evils, but fair or not everyone is being asked a hard question about how bad another four years of Trump would be.

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Let's identify the scum.
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Are we also going to identify people who refuse to vote against Trump and rub their faces in it every time a thread is posted about him doing something harmful?
 
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BDS

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RedMercury said:
You don't need to do it publicly, of course not. Nobody would ever ask that of anyone.
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That's sort of the understated implication that's been occurring throughout this forum and elsewhere on the internet, though. Person A will say "I do not want to vote for Joe Biden," Person B starts hounding and dogpiling them until finally Person A says they are an abuse survivor. Person B then awkwardly goes "Oh uh, ok, sorry."
 
UltraMagnus

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Oct 27, 2017
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Sure it's ok, but one should understand that doing so especially in a swing state is basically like a vote for Trump.
 
TaySan

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Dec 10, 2018
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Yes anyone period should not have to vote without being shamed for it. If you are not comfortable that is a valid reason enough and people need to respect that.
 
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Fanto

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BDS said:
That's sort of the understated implication that's been occurring throughout this forum and elsewhere on the internet, though. Person A will say "I do not want to vote for Joe Biden," Person B starts hounding and dogpiling them until finally Person A says they are an abuse survivor. Person B then awkwardly goes "Oh uh, ok, sorry."
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And sometimes they don't even say sorry!
 
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