I've argued my case multiple times here. I've at least tried to point out the arguments that completely miss the mark but they still seem to get parroted and bickered about endlessly.
Yes, I understand the premise of having a dead person as a motivation. I'm saying that the dead person doesn't count as a character in the game when she died before the game started and we only ever see her as a bag of ash. I think what we heard of Faye's story was cool and if that was the game we were playing, it would have been awesome. But it was just an interesting plot twist at the end. We don't see Faye, we don't learn about her motivation through her, it's just lore that Kratos and Atreus discover at the end.
It ignores the context of the rest of his character though. Yes, a kid who learns that would react like that. A kid who has been raised with both his parents warning him about how corrupt and evil Gods are though? At the very least it needed a bit more build up.
He doesn't kill the Valkyries. He frees them from their prisons. Their natural form is the spirit form.
I never understood why people didn't like this part , i thought it was hilarious seeing Atreus get all cocky and made perfect sense with what a small child would do if he found out he was a literal god.
Excellent recap. People can not like it all they want, but to say it was out of character or "didn't make sense" were clearly not understanding or paying attention to the lore and backstory.
And if that happens, we can discuss it then. But for now, you are calling a woman a "psychotic villain" and a "deranged harpy" for emotionally lashing out against somebody who just killed her son in front of her. She doesn't even touch him!
If I'm not mistaken, Atreus's turns (both ways) were supposed to be more gradual. For some reason or another, however, the developer was forced to shorten the game; his part got cut and it shows.
Everything we knows about Faye is secondhand information, either from acquaintances who only saw her once in a while or family members who she deceived all these time. Was she a manipulative trickster who coldly deceive those around her to get revenge against the gods? Was she a conflicted hero who is forced to fulfill a prophecy while still wanting the best for her family? Both? Neither? I don't know, because we never actually get to know her as a character; just a perhaps well-executed plot device.
Just to be clear I didn't make that post to have any GOTCHA! moments or anything. I recapped it because I want to have people who think she acted out of character or where she did a 180 because I myself can't see it and if there is a point I want it explained to me.
And again, what was Kratos supposed to do? Let Baldur kill her and then let him get away scot free?
Freya doesn't die. And see, that supports my point that the controversy if Kratos had let her be killed would be even bigger.
Seriously, people, it's not a controversy just because somebody dislike some parts of a game you like and voice that out.
I think the issue most people have with that part isn't that Atreus' attitude change happened at all but rather how fast it happened. I know he's a kid but it still felt like his cocky attitude took over way too fast. It doesn't help that the writing in this section of the game is somewhat poor, especially in comparison to the rest of the game. Atreus' transition back to being a normal kid is just as a abrupt and feels off too. Yes he's a kid, but kids don't just go from being really nice to literally the biggest shit back to being nice in the span of a single day. Maybe we will learn more about Atreus in future games which will make these moments feel more plausible, but as for right now it felt too fast and sudden in my opinion (and apparently the opinion of many others as well).
Someone educate me why this is bad. It just seems like an interesting narrative to me.
She's the driving force because she's dead which is a very well worn trope called "fridging." It's not inherently bad but that it's used at all is why it's worth discussing.
Gotcha that makes more sense. I did a shit ton of lake exploration immediately after that revelation happened so I didn't really have that sudden jump and I believe Atreus even has some different dialogue at that point in the game during exploration.
No I didn't think it was a "gotcha" just that I think people are misunderstanding her character when they make the claim that "her actions didn't make sense."
Faye wasn't fridged. She wasn't killed. Her death isn't Kratos' motivation.
Fridging doesn't require the woman to be killed, only that her death is the motivation. Scattering her ashes is literally the entire driving force behind Kratos' actions for most of the game, how is her death not his motivation?
The call out was about the relationship between Kratos and Faye being compared to the one he had with Athena, not about her actual character.
Because it's not her dying that acts like the main factor for the trip, it's following her last wish she let them know before dying.
Fridging is about female characters being brutalised for the sole purpose to give the main character motivation. You don't have this here at all. For all we know she died of natural causes, Kratos isn't out for revenge, he's just dealing with grief. If that's fridging the term becomes meaningless as it would mean that any supporting character that dies is being fridged
Well guess what, some women break down because the man of their lives is gone! That's real life. Just like some men break down when their woman is gone.
