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Is Fallen Order one of the most unpolished AAA game ever released? (Spoilers)
- Thread starter Zedelima
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In recent memory, I would say yes. Trophy glitches, textures, and sound have all had problems in the game whenever I've played.
Control at launch was a fucking mess but the severe frame drops were relatively concentrated. I found Fallen Order's relentless poor performance and jank more exhausting and irritating.
I disagree they get a ton of shit. Bethesda doesn't get half the shit they deserve for their games. Hell they rereleased skyrim a hundred times and never bothered fixing any of its issues.
It was a new team within Respawn, not the ones that made Titanfall (they are working on Apex) so I imagine it was a bunch of mainly B-teamers stepping up to create this new AAA title. The game feels like a proof of concept, like a bunch of college students out to prove that they can create a single-player Star Wars game. Hopefully now that they've proven they can at least make a competent game they will be able to make something truly fantastic in the follow up (Mandalorian or Republic Commando 2 plz)
After playing Fallen Order on pc and then seeing the reaction online it seems like we almost played entirely different games sometimes. I ran into exactly 1 issue I would consider a bug and past that the game ran nearly perfect for me and I'm not even on a super high end pc (still using a 980). My wife is playing it on a PS4 Pro and it seems like it's been fine on there too. I loved God Of War but I actually enjoyed Fallen Order (and its combat) more.
Also calling Fallen Order the most unpolished games ever released is pretty hyperbolic. I know it's fresh in your memory but bethesda basically owns the unpolished AAA space as a genre to themselves. I see people calling out Anthem but I think theres a difference between unpolished and just not a great game. I felt like Anthem had plenty of polish it just wasn't very good.
Also calling Fallen Order the most unpolished games ever released is pretty hyperbolic. I know it's fresh in your memory but bethesda basically owns the unpolished AAA space as a genre to themselves. I see people calling out Anthem but I think theres a difference between unpolished and just not a great game. I felt like Anthem had plenty of polish it just wasn't very good.
Sorry no. It's absolutely unambitious. I mean maybe for an EA SW effort it's good, but that's it.
I played on PC and it wasn't bad at all. Was unpolished but nothing close to being one of the worst
For a game of it's type, that is a single player story driven experience, I would say it's up there yeah. It has a lot of issues with that and I'm not quite sure how it got such high praise in general. The lack of polish and rather boring traversal stuff, which incidentally also seemed more like filler than anything engaging or challenging were pretty big detractors.
You can tell it was a passion project and has some really strong ideas behind it, but I thought a lot of it was rather clunky and bland, both in design and execution. The combat was decent enough I guess, but even that felt fairly spotty sometimes and some of the encounter designs where a creature will just pop out of the ground literally rocketing you off the ledge with zero indication it was going to happen was just stupid. I also remember a couple of encounters in the game being clusterfucks because it's just multiple enemy types that you really can't easily outmaneuver or defend against all bum-rushing you at once, which is not great design in my opinion.
I think the poor performance issues impacted this game more though, since it relied on parry timing for the majority of its combat and counters, and there were multiple occasions where hitches or drops or other such nonsense prevented me from countering or other things like that. Not a big deal but certainly more noticeable than it would be in other games.
You can tell it was a passion project and has some really strong ideas behind it, but I thought a lot of it was rather clunky and bland, both in design and execution. The combat was decent enough I guess, but even that felt fairly spotty sometimes and some of the encounter designs where a creature will just pop out of the ground literally rocketing you off the ledge with zero indication it was going to happen was just stupid. I also remember a couple of encounters in the game being clusterfucks because it's just multiple enemy types that you really can't easily outmaneuver or defend against all bum-rushing you at once, which is not great design in my opinion.
I think the poor performance issues impacted this game more though, since it relied on parry timing for the majority of its combat and counters, and there were multiple occasions where hitches or drops or other such nonsense prevented me from countering or other things like that. Not a big deal but certainly more noticeable than it would be in other games.
I've been playing on my Xbox One X and haven't noticed anything too glaring so far. It's run pretty good for me. *fingers crossed*
"most unpolished..." "... ever".
Sigh. No. It's not the most unpolished ever. Not with Fallout 76 and Anthem within a single year, just to mention two recent games.
Sigh. No. It's not the most unpolished ever. Not with Fallout 76 and Anthem within a single year, just to mention two recent games.
It doesnt feel well optimized on modern consoles. Id love to see the game get some sort of series x enhancement to run at true 4k and 60 fps
I'm sorry but are you in anyway familiar with game development beyond surface level hot takes?
Sure I worked with a bunch of Pandemic and Black Isle developers on a start up back in the day. Do you do anything besides defend Triple A publishers?
I'm laughing at him as he's making fun of college students
Clown post bro. I don't love the game, but this pretty disrespectful to the dev team. And just so you know, several of the key roles on the team are former senior devs from Santa Monica Studio (GoW III).
I heard it is pretty bad on consoles (ps4)
I had a few bugs on pc, mostly monsters flying above the ground before landing and attacking me
and some crashes while loading the map
I had a few bugs on pc, mostly monsters flying above the ground before landing and attacking me
and some crashes while loading the map
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I mean, as others pointed out, i never said it was the most unpolished game.
That being said, i dont understand why people with Pros are not having the same experience as me. Man, the wookie land is rough! Glitches and bugs are the norm there, and i have a internal HDD.
Dathomir i had so many enemies pop-in in front of me that is not even funny.
Failling inside the groud? 3 times i died because of that.
Also i thinks there's plenty to praise like the music, the art direction and level design
That being said, i dont understand why people with Pros are not having the same experience as me. Man, the wookie land is rough! Glitches and bugs are the norm there, and i have a internal HDD.
Dathomir i had so many enemies pop-in in front of me that is not even funny.
Failling inside the groud? 3 times i died because of that.
Also i thinks there's plenty to praise like the music, the art direction and level design
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Still don't agree. First, the Star Wars skin does matter. There's a whole feel to playing a Jedi with lightsaber combat and Jedi powers and interacting with a cute robot and exploring a variety of exotic planets. Setting absolutely matters, it's definitely at least part of why something like The Surge is supremely boring to me but Fallen Order was fun and exciting. As for the gameplay, of course it draws inspiration from a variety of games, that's normal, but you can say that about a lot of games, including darlings like God of War etc. and I think Fallen Order still did enough to have its own identity to give it the proper "Star Wars" flavour, particularly with how you used the Force powers. From combat to traversal to exploration, it really nailed that "playing a Jedi adventure" feeling. I don't know of any other game where I can do the things I do in Fallen Order, so for me, it's not derivative at all, even if it doesn't have one big massively innovative "mechanic" in it or whatever.
Do you mind actually elaborating/rebutting his points instead of just saying "nah"?
Fair enough, thanks for the information! :)
While it had a lot of technical issues, I think Anthem wins by a mile. That game hard crashed and turned off my console 3 times. Not to mention it glitched out on the last mission and I ended up not seeing the ending when playing with friends. I did get the credits though lol
Don't worry, you and I had the exact same issues on Pro. I believe you
Is it even necessary? Obviously CE's definition of ambition differs wildly from mine. The points CE made support my statement rather than refute it, the developers took alot of known gameplay loops and put them in their game. None of which were better than the games they were inspired from. They had a big art budget? Great, they have the backing of the biggest game publisher in the industry behind them, it is to be expected. Their pre release marketing was all about how they played these classic games and were inspired by them, which is fine. Ambitious it is not.
my main problem is the lack of in game cosmetics. its mostly lightsaber parts and ponchos. like they had almost no time to create anything worthwhile. being ea i can't help but think they were gonna add a bunch of lootboxes and dlc and cut them out last minute to not have any backlash.
It really sucks that they could have avoided the game being so buggy if it weren't for EA/Disney.
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Yeah! The exact same thing!
also,do you remember the running section when you break "something"?
man, that was miserable.
So to clarify I mean that it came across as a group that wasn't going to reinvent the wheel so they just made a hodge-podge of all the hottest trends right now. Titanfall 1 and 2 were so creative and unique feeling so the next game from that studio being a mashup of all the latest trends was a little disappointing.
Overall a very enjoyable game despite some jank.
I haven't played it but have seen vidoes of some stuff people have encountered and there are many other games that came out recently that were way worse.
Look at Ghost Recon Breakpoint for example.
Look at Ghost Recon Breakpoint for example.
That's hyperbole for sure
Game is a complete fucking mess on base consoles, and people can give any excuses they want, far more ambitious games this gen have looked and ran better than Fallen Order.
This game has the worst texture pop in I've ever seen on Xbox One S. Literal 10 second wait times for textures to pop in some times. A complete joke.
Game is a complete fucking mess on base consoles, and people can give any excuses they want, far more ambitious games this gen have looked and ran better than Fallen Order.
This game has the worst texture pop in I've ever seen on Xbox One S. Literal 10 second wait times for textures to pop in some times. A complete joke.
Do you have literally anything to back up your 'yeah, no' hot takes then?
this doesn´t matter, game was sold for full price and people have the right to expect a fully polished game, b- team or not.
maybe they should have sold it with a big sticker on front "made by b-team that want to prove they can make a big game" or what? this game is atrocious on the Pro when it comes to technical performance, surely not what i would have expected from a big profile Star Wars game but well, it is EA, when was the last polished EA release? they just want to have the games out of the door, doesn´t matter if the technical aspects are not up to par.
Jedi feels severely dated, like a 5 year old game and the leveldesign is from like 2010. it is derivative as it gets too, there are no own ideas in this game at all. this is what i consider a cookie cutter mass market game. still don´t know what people see in this Star Wars Tomb Raider game but to each their own.
