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Is Captain America the peak of human potential? Or superhuman?
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"Peak human" doesn't mean anything in comics. lol It depends on the writer.
But Cap is 100% superhuman in the MCU.
There should be tiers to how superhuman someone is.
Cap and T'Challa are base-line superhumans. The Iron Man armors, on average, are mid-level superhuman class. Hulk, Thor, and Carol are high-level superhumans/gods.
But Cap is 100% superhuman in the MCU.
There should be tiers to how superhuman someone is.
Cap and T'Challa are base-line superhumans. The Iron Man armors, on average, are mid-level superhuman class. Hulk, Thor, and Carol are high-level superhumans/gods.
I guess the term refers to what a human would be able to realistically do if all our innate physical and mental abilities were taken to their realistic extremes. How fast the fastest human could run, how high they could jump, how much pain they could endure, etc.
Wha? Nah. He took super soldier serum. There's nothing natural about his abilities. He was nothing before the serum.
Vibranium shield, nuff said.
dude walked it off like it was nothing
But that's not how it works. like it works for people who don't understand the human body but that's not how it works
Vibranium absorbs impact.
dude walked it off like it was nothing
Homo Sapiens Superior are mutants. That's the sciencey classification for them.
Didn't say he's the peakest, just that he's pushed his mental and physical abilities to the maximum, which is the very definition of peak human condition. Of course not everyone will have the same "level" of peak.Batman isn't even the peakest in his family. Stop laughing Razgriz-Specter
And don't get me started on Richard dragon
It's comics (duh) but I always thought about it like you can hold it in front of you and whatever hit's it, the force doesn't go through the shield into your body, wrecking havoc. When he's falling, it's still the sudden stop at the bottom that kills you, but the force is already in your body on the way down, so what the shield protects in that scenario is the ground from getting the force of your body smashing into the shield transmitted (also the differences in intertia in your body that would damage organs simply by creating a differential in forces by speeding up and then stopping aprubtly, completely seperate from what the shield is doing, your organs would have to be made out of that material in order to absorb those)
But that is enough nerd talk at the moment ;P
Yup.
In the comic universe he is def just a peak human.
And peak everything a human could be.
Not just strength, but speed, dexterity whatever....he is the peak of what a human could achieve...not yet super.
Holy shit this had me cracking up legit.
But thats a feat they need to put in the MCU for sure, that would elevate him well above Tony Stark in suit.
P.S I think MCU makes him seem Super but once Spider-man was introduced we saw what Super human strength and dexterity actually were.
So yeah my vote is Peak Human.
No there is a peak and its name is Steve Rogers....thats the highest any human could reach.
Steve is a peak human, no other human can go above steve without being classified as a Super Human.
No, Steve Rogers is not peak human, he is an enhanced human. Like it has been said on this thread, his condition is the result of the serum.
Batman, who is peak human, trained for years to achieve his mental and physical abilities. Rogers basically served as lab rat.
Yeah, Daredevil is agile as Cap, but not as strong or fast.
Kingpin is as strong as Cap, but not as agile.
Bullseye is just a really fit dude, but Cap is just as good as a marksman as he is.
I was gonna respond but Slays response pretty much covers it.
Read the below.
I don't think that's how it works. Widow would not have survived that fall, and if she did she would be in a wheelchair.
She would have walked away fine.
The Vibranium would have absorbed all the impact.
Discounting air resistance she could stand on the shield and jump off the empire state land and just walk away.
I still believe the Black Widow movie will tell us that she got injected with a weird russian attempt at the Super Soldier serum, not as good as the German/American one, but enough to make her quite tough.
If you're falling and come to a stop there is necessarily a large force on your body. Vibranium won't change that.
I think what he means is that the serum is what enhanced him into being a peak human.
Definitely superhuman in the MCU...
Is that the case just in the comics? In the MCU, I only ever recall the Panther Habit being special for the Vibranium's defensive, impact-absorption abilities, not enhancing the strength he already got from the Heart-shaped Herb.
The Primarchs of 40k are peak human or superhuman?, so that is why i made the comparison between Russ and Cap
Panther is superhuman in the comics too. It's not his suit giving him his strength.
And this is where there is a huge difference: peak human condition implies training and hard work to achieve. A serum does not make you peak human, it makes you superhuman. Not "Superman-like" superhuman, but since your abilities have not been acquired through natural means, therefore you are superhuman, not peak human. Even if, in this particular case, this superhuman specimen is "only" a few times faster and stronger than a regular human.
Read my reply above.
He has Hulk levels of strength:
I guarantee Thanos was either testing his strength or just toying with him.
Oh snap. So he's like half baked Cap? I guess its okay if they steal from themselves :-P
So, the suit doesn't further enhance his already superhuman strength in the comics either? 'cause that's the way I saw it in the movies.
C'mon, man. Don't be that guy.
You need to read more Marvel comics.
If we are talking MCU its tough because such scalings are never explicity stated.
But comic steve is peak human.
As in on the grading there is
Sub Human - People or beings actually weaker than most humans
Human - The average man(Think bruce banner)
Trained(Athletic) Humans - Think people who gym a lot(alot of none super strength heroes are here)
Peak Human - The absolute max a human could reach
Super Human - Anything outside the realm of what a human could achieve.
Nothing Steve does is outside the realm of what a human could achieve so he is peak human, how he got there doesnt matter...its the actual result that matters.
He is just peak at pretty much every category.
Thats pretty much how "powerlevels" are ranked, its not about how you got there, its about where you are.
Otherwise you could get characters who were crippled or super weak took some serum that let them walk are they now Super Humans because they can walk even if their strength, speed whatever is normal levels?
I'm gonna be honest, I'm more of a DC Comics fan, but if this detail prevents me from replying to a thread about a Marvel character, then please accept my apologies.
His suit is for protection and offense, doesn't make him any stronger or faster.
Not as an insult dont get me wrong.
Its more that I think you are looking at this the wrong way.
As in Marvel even characters who are enhanced can fall in the "peak human" category.
It seems to me like you are taking the Peak vs Super in a more literal sense like its the real world.
In the comics Steve has done nothing that gets him out of the Peak Human category.
Peak and Super are actual categories within the Marvel Universe.
P.S Im a huge DC fan hell my Avatar is Catwoman.
The Avatar I used before this was Wonder Woman.
My tag on the other side was Wonder Woman esc.
That's not what happened in the movies though. Watch Civil War. T'Challa is just as agile and strong without his suit. It just provides some extra features, like the claws and the vibranium weaving
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It seems like you and TheMadTitan are somehow getting the impression that I'm implying otherwise—I'm not!
Definitely Superhuman in the MCU. Hawkeye, Widow are peak human.
Once T'challa ingested the herb, he became superhuman. The suit is just enhanced protection and nice gadgets.
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You missed the whole part where he had to take an antidote to remove his superpowers in order to have a fair fight when his crown was challenged in hand to hand combat? And took another potion to restore them?