I'm still mad about it. That being said, being actively mad takes time and I don't care that much. I'll buy it, do my one playthrough, and then give it away.
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Is #BringBackNationalDex dying on social media?
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This is just straight up rude and I don't even care if there's a National Dex or not.
How dare you have an opinion on a video game that someone who did something bad and extreme also has on that video game? You're horrible and deserve to be called an idiot, a little baby, all sorts of shit and you're entitled and toxic for even thinking about having an opinion on a video game that's similar to someone like that!
Pretty much this for me and being tired of being told I'm a toxic, entitled manchild because I don't suck the farts from Game Freak's ass.
And people don't want to roll over and be good little consumers. Giving up when a corporation says no is some defeatist bullshit.
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Forgetting that Nintendo listened to the Zelda crowd, who were complaining that the formula were stale by the time Skyward Sword came out, which resulted in Breath of the Wild? Or how people shit all over Wind Waker because of its "childish" graphics resulting in Twilight Princess being similar to Ocarina of Time. I don't know where this argument that Nintendo doesn't listen to criticism come from.
And also, where does this whole "this game will break Pokemon records anyway" come from? You do realize the best selling Pokemon games were RBY and GSC? None of the games since have ever touched that total, and likely never will due to the nature of the Pokemon series in the late 90s.
For a better comparable, Let's Go's legs are completely gone and that game sold just below 11 million (well below fans' lofty expectations that this would sell around 20mil). There's also an argument for the whole controversy on Twitter souring enough people to where any potential Switch boost might be nullified now.
It's true, I am actually the worst. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways, I will now change all of my feelings and accept willingly what the corporate overlords allow me to have.
Also, they clearly felt the backlash was strong enough to at least respond.
These games may very well sell the most in a pokemon series ever, that doesn't mean voicing your opinion is a bad idea.
I hope so. I wonder how alive it ever was though.
Often when I see folks out there nerd raging about stuff, they seem to think they're a much more sizable number than they actually are.
Like, if you even think harassing Gamefreak employees and spamming the Pokemon social media accounts is going to change the game, you probably think some large number of you actually care that much.
Everything about this is dumb, though. It's been fun getting back into Nintendo the 2 (almost 3) years now, but some of the fans are just terrible.
Hopefully they realize that they can just not buy it, and maybe even channel their anger into fighting actual injustice.
Meanwhile, normal folks will continue to buy the game, enjoy it, and move on without ever noticing that which seems like a big deal to these few.
Often when I see folks out there nerd raging about stuff, they seem to think they're a much more sizable number than they actually are.
Like, if you even think harassing Gamefreak employees and spamming the Pokemon social media accounts is going to change the game, you probably think some large number of you actually care that much.
Everything about this is dumb, though. It's been fun getting back into Nintendo the 2 (almost 3) years now, but some of the fans are just terrible.
Hopefully they realize that they can just not buy it, and maybe even channel their anger into fighting actual injustice.
Meanwhile, normal folks will continue to buy the game, enjoy it, and move on without ever noticing that which seems like a big deal to these few.
The hashtag got an official response. so at minimum it will be a consideration and may even happen as soon as the expansion games they always release each gen
But it won't happen by November and people who are aggrieved that the hashtag is dying may or may not understand that the hashtag has served its purpose. Continually trying to spam it makes those people look childish.
But it won't happen by November and people who are aggrieved that the hashtag is dying may or may not understand that the hashtag has served its purpose. Continually trying to spam it makes those people look childish.
Pfffft. Has it already been so long that people don't remember a thing called "No Mai No Buy"?
Disagree. If you feel passionately about something, keep speaking up about it as long as you don't go over the line.
Pokemon can handle a few hashtags, people have a right to be upset if they want to be.
There was plenty of arguments being shared here, the problem was people were too busy making the people who brought them up look unreasonable instead of actually engaging with the arguments.
I still care about Pokémon and will watch the anime, just won't buy the game. Is this really supposed to be a "gotcha"?
No it isn't. The Snyder cut is a fantasy. This problem could be solved with future patches and games. I don't get the desire to paint the non-toxic aspect of this as unreasonable.
I'm in there because I'm still interested in the games, but not enough to buy them new. I'll be getting a used copy of one of the games to vote with my wallet.
If the sales plummet on this one compared with past games, that's going to do far more to change things than any social media campaign ever could.
The part people forget about is that this controversy reached Twitter, which I think has a clear effect. Not the Battle Frontier in ORAS, and not the lack of post-game in XY. This was the first time that people openly criticized the Pokemon games in such a public forum.
The other controversies I mentioned in comparison, were limited to gaming forums and /vp/.
Don't criticize a video game and say what changes would make you buy it. It's toxic, how dare you voice your opinion as a consumer, you manbaby?
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I agree with all of this. I don't fault Game Freak for making the decision they did. I do think it was handled extremely poorly, and their messaging could have been better.
Also, sorry, what did I say pre-Let's Go launch? If I dismissed your concerns about the forced motion controls, I sincerely apologize for that.
It's not just the delegitimizing. It's also that after a while, spamming social media isn't achieving anything. They said they won't budge on this. The best way to actually affect change, if you want change affected, is to vote with your wallets, not buy the game, not subscribe to Home, and show them that Pokemon is not invulnerable to fan backlash.
If you care about this problem enough for it to supercede your enjoyment of the game.
Yeah, I agree there are a lot of assholes on the "lolNationalDex" side too. I agree that they are every bit as toxic as what they want to portray the BBND brigade as.
Holy misread, Batman. My post was literally in response to "everyone is called toxic". I'm telling you that the average person is less likely to give ya'all the benefit of the doubt because of some shitheads who went ahead and acted badly over this. I was explaining why people tend to call BBND toxic. At no point do I a) excuse anyone doing that without provocation, and b) say that you're not free to feel angry at TPCi about it.
I'm not going to go ahead and dig out my original posts from the first thread(s) on this issue talking about how I think Game Freak and TPCi have fucked up, you don't want to believe I am "empathetic", don't, I don't really care.
I'd go one further, I plan on buying the game but that doesn't mean I can't criticize certain parts of it.
I've had a lot of shitty pizza in my life. Able to criticize what's wrong with it while still being able to enjoy it because even below average pizza is better than most meals.
I'll never get why buying a game makes it impossible to criticize for some people.
Not really, more an observation.
Seems to me like following and discussing news for a game I'm actively boycotting would be a bit of a dispiriting experience, but you do you.
That's childish . If you ask for something and is told not right now you don't keep on asking
This isn't a moral or even financial issue where they are stealing or doing something that can be considered illegal. It's a.decision they made with respect to what to include in a game and It's inappropriate especially since the devs already gave you an answer for the game releasing this fall.
You do realize that's misguided as all hell? Even if you didn't buy it new, your used copy will still represent the number of copies sold in Game Freak's eyes. You might as well just buy it new in that case because you're clearly not voting with your wallet.
God, I hope so. To say it had gotten exhausting would be disingenuous, because it was exhausting the moment it evolved from regular criticism into outrage, harassment, and threats.
I mean, by this point anyone who would know knows, any argument that would have been made has been , anyone who cares is probably made up their mind one way or the other.
I certainly decided against buying this generation, but I've no reason to post stuff on social media or in forums.
This shit ain't #BringBackTheSnyderCut, ain't no cult around the hashtag.
I certainly decided against buying this generation, but I've no reason to post stuff on social media or in forums.
This shit ain't #BringBackTheSnyderCut, ain't no cult around the hashtag.
I don't know how anyone could take those quotes any other way. If you call people's arguments a "charade with no leg to stand on" expect them to feel attacked, not empathized with. That's not a "misread", that's your exact quote.
Yeah I never even heard of those other alleged controversies. XD
I'll just take your word that someone at some point held those opinions and did their best to scream them loudly into some vacuum somewhere, along with the folks who didn't like the removal of the pistol in Halo 2, and other great movements.
So all things that aren't moral or legal issues we're not allowed to comment on more than once?
Seems an ironic stance on the 5th page of the 129383924894324th National dex thread, but do you
Uh, no? It's a copy that was already bought by someone else and they aren't getting a penny from me. There's a reason publishers and devs don't like used game sales.
So everyone's just going to ignore the fact that there was a literal pedophile using his Twitter outreach and shit to groom minors (Xenochu, his twitter has since been deleted because people were calling him out) who had a viral (or as viral as a tweet can be in this situation, it was retweeted by Serebii who obviously didn't know about the fact that he did these things, so no blame there at all of course) tweet because of defending the lack of a national dex? Yeah? Cool. I've brought it up multiple times in this very thread but people seem to think ONLY #BBND posters had bad people posting on Twitter but that definitely was something that happened. It's crazy how much people are ignoring that.
I'm not saying everyone in the GameFreak defending side is him, but come on. It's silly to equate everyone with the people who spread false accusations for Masuda and shit like that if they want the National Dex back but simultaneously ignore that shit.
I'm not saying everyone in the GameFreak defending side is him, but come on. It's silly to equate everyone with the people who spread false accusations for Masuda and shit like that if they want the National Dex back but simultaneously ignore that shit.
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See, ya'all go ahead and say shit like this and then complain you're being called toxic.
People will ignore anything that weakens their stance.
Your opinion is different than theirs, and you are therefore wrong and misguided
And there it is. Anybody that doesn't have something nice to say is toxic, man I wonder why I would say something like what I did in that post?!
Oh trust me, I'm sure as fuck not touching Home.
- Person buys game
- Person sells game to you
- Person gets money from you
- You now essentially take that person's place on the sale list
Like I said, that's misguided and a half-assed measure. Voting with your wallet would be not buying the thing to begin with.
Hmm. I guess that makes sense. My boycott isn't an active sentiment, I'm thoroughly disinterested in the game (but still interested in what it brings to the lore if that makes sense lol) so it isn't really dispiriting. The game is just a way to present new designs now
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And none of my money goes to Game Freak and the game doesn't get another sale. Game Freak doesn't get anything from me buying a used copy. From their perspective I never bought the game.
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I have very little interest in the game due to my very high expectations. I know the game will sell gangbusters, especially with the Switch Mini, but why would others care if this hashtag exists or not? Sure the devs have responded and said "no", but does that mean those who care are meant to just shut up about it?
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