Wild Arms does have better graphics than FF7 outside of battles at least.
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Is Breath of Fire 3+4 Wild Arms1+2 good? SNES RPG's weren't great apart from one or two why does this console get a good rep for them?
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Wild Arms does have better graphics than FF7 outside of battles at least.
13 Best Super Nintendo Role Playing Games - SNESdrunk
[0:00] (intro)[0:45] 13) Illusion of Gaia[1:24] 12) Soul Blazer[2:15] 11) Secret of Mana[3:14] 10) Breath of Fire II[3:57] 9) Live-A-Live[4:48] 8) Terranigma...youtu.be
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There's a large nostalgia component, but there are so many top tier. Ff4-6, secret of mana, secret of evermore, earthbound, chrono trigger, SMRPG, illusion of Gaia we're all fantastic. That's nine off the top of my head and I know I didn't even play half of the ones not listed here but mentioned elsewhere in the thread.
lol wut? It absolutely does not.
Outside of battles it looks like an RPG Maker game...
As a connoisseur of RPG Maker games I must inform you that you are wrong as fuck, friend.
...you might have a point.
Wild Arms 1 field graphics look worse than RPG Maker. I stand corrected.
Still, you are out of your damned mind if you believe Wild Arms is more graphically impressive than FF7. One of these two games was heralded as one of the most visually impressive console games ever made at the time... and it sure as shit wasn't Wild Arms 😂
As you said, the SNES had Chrono Trigger and FFVI, two of the absolute best RPGs on the planet.
It also had:
Secret of Mana
Seiken Densetsu 3/Trials of Mana
Super Mario RPG
Final Fantasy IV
Final Fantasy V
Soul Blazer
Terranigma
Illusion of Gaia
EarthBound
Star Ocean
Breath of Fire 2
Bahamut Lagoon
And that's just off the top of my head. Your premise is false. You not liking the library of RPGs doesn't mean there are no good ones on the SNES, it means you don't like RPGs.
It also had:
Secret of Mana
Seiken Densetsu 3/Trials of Mana
Super Mario RPG
Final Fantasy IV
Final Fantasy V
Soul Blazer
Terranigma
Illusion of Gaia
EarthBound
Star Ocean
Breath of Fire 2
Bahamut Lagoon
And that's just off the top of my head. Your premise is false. You not liking the library of RPGs doesn't mean there are no good ones on the SNES, it means you don't like RPGs.
i love breath of fire more than most people but 3 is one of the biggest offenders of random battles becoming extremely annoying over time
it's like every two steps
anyway dragon quarter is the best breath of fire
also breath of fire 1 is.......................................... i mean it's an rpg, i can say that much
(i still love it)
anyway snes rpgs are great you are a crazy person
also seriously play terranigma it's the least known best rpg out there
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capcom you absolute, complete DIPSHITS give me a breath of fire collection
it's like every two steps
anyway dragon quarter is the best breath of fire
also breath of fire 1 is.......................................... i mean it's an rpg, i can say that much
(i still love it)
anyway snes rpgs are great you are a crazy person
also seriously play terranigma it's the least known best rpg out there
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capcom you absolute, complete DIPSHITS give me a breath of fire collection
At the time it was certainly less impressive but its undeniable WA has aged far more gracefully than FF7 outside of battles.
Someone is forgetting Dragon Quest V and VI on Snes, and a whole slew of other outstanding JRPG's that have never been bettered since. You also forget that a lot of great games never got english releases, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
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A lot of the jrpg games I found on SNES were more of prototypes found much later with their superior sequels or similar games. Like what Assassins Creed is to the later ones. Good for the time but do not hold up.
Like Breath of Fire 1 and 2 compared to 3 and 4, Tactics Ogre was much better on PSP and N64 also FFT blew it away, Super Mario RPG ...isn't Paper Mario a better more refined version of it? Even Lufia, Wild Arms took that generic story and formula and updated it with cool puzzles and story and setting. Lufia is still decent tbf though with its combat system and dungeon design. Star Ocean 1 and Tales of Phantasia are not great games today and haven't held up compared to their later entries. Look at the jump from Phantasia to Destiny or SO1 to SO2 for example.
There are some JRPGs that hold up like Dragon Quest series or FF games which seem timeless. So it was possible to make great games I just think the JRPG library is pretty overrated on SNES. Look at 7th Saga and Brainlord. Just because it has games like that doesn't mean they were amazing. Like it's not bad on it's own but compared to PS1 it doesn't come close imo
On PS1 there are so many that are still classics and very playable today. Suikoden, Wild Arms, Grandia, Star Ocean, VP, FF, Vagrant Story, FFT and they offer rich experiences today and have proper narratives and scope that aren't held back by space or lines from npcs that aren't 3 words.
The heck.
If anything it's incredibly underrated. Not enough people giving it a fair chance.
Plenty of SNES JRPGs were great but it obviously gets harder to go back to SNES era games as time passes. Still, if anything the JRPGs have probably aged the best among all genres.
I think Terranigma holds up very well. There's nothing like it really.
I think Terranigma holds up very well. There's nothing like it really.
Terranigma, FFV, FFVI, DQV, Earthbound, Tactics Ogre, and Chrono Trigger are enough for me to say the SNES has a pretty good jrpg lineup. I kind of agree that the PS1 has the better lineup though.
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SNES is IMO the best console for JRPGS. In like a 5-6 year span you had
-Final Fantasy IV-VI
-Dragon Quest V and VI
-Secret of Mana and Trials of Mana
-Chrono Trigger
-Super Mario RPG
-Earthbound
-Fire Emblem: Mystery of the Emblem, Genealogy of the Holy War, Thracia 776
-Breath of FIre I and II
-Illusion of Gaia
-Secret of Evermore
-Lufia I and II
-Shin Megami Tensei I and II
-Star Ocean
-Tales of Phantasia
-Ys III-V
If you consider the 16-bit bit era as a whole who have Phantasy Star II-IV, Shining in the Darkness, and Shining Force I and II.
You can't count all that on one hand.
-Final Fantasy IV-VI
-Dragon Quest V and VI
-Secret of Mana and Trials of Mana
-Chrono Trigger
-Super Mario RPG
-Earthbound
-Fire Emblem: Mystery of the Emblem, Genealogy of the Holy War, Thracia 776
-Breath of FIre I and II
-Illusion of Gaia
-Secret of Evermore
-Lufia I and II
-Shin Megami Tensei I and II
-Star Ocean
-Tales of Phantasia
-Ys III-V
If you consider the 16-bit bit era as a whole who have Phantasy Star II-IV, Shining in the Darkness, and Shining Force I and II.
You can't count all that on one hand.
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Do the Shining games on Megadrive hold up today? Isn't it supersceded by games like FE?
Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together was actually a super famicom game before it got remade for the PSP. Paper Mario is in no way a more refined version of SMRPG, they play very differently (and imo Paper Mario is a regression on almost everything by choosing to focus entirely on Mario).
You're also overly fixated on BOF 3 and 4 being better than 1 and 2, which is the consensus, and keep comparing Wild Arms to Lufia. You realize there's way more stuff you're omitting? Other than FF 4-6 (which holds up better than 7-9) and DQ 5-6 and 1-2-3 (should be fair game since you include a Grandia, originally not a playstation game). What about Last Bible? Emerald Dragon? Treasure of the Rudras? The megami tensei games? The glory of heracles games? Bahamut Lagoon? Earthbound? Live a Live? Terranigma? Secret and Trials of Mana? Secret of Evermore? I could keep going.
The PS1 doesn't even manage to hold a candle to such a variety of rpgs. Other than omitting Chrono Cross and Xenogears, you've pretty much already listed the games worth playing. Not to mention games who abandoned 2d sprites for early 3d polygons (like the FFs and Legend of Dragoon) look like ass nowadays and have to be remastered or modded to seem somewhat appealing. Chrono Trigger and Earthbound still look lovely.
Sweeping generalisations and a refusal to listen to other opinions? Yep it's a mogster7777 thread alright.
Snes RPGs to me were more fresher. By the time ps1 came around jrpgs were grounded and had a base set for any devs to come up with ideas. Those Snes Final fantasy games set a standard.
You keep trying, but you'll never make a thread title as hilariously bad as "it is ILLEGAL for publishers to not make trophies for DLC."
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My own hot take on the matter is that many people got into JRPGs when they were basically the AAA of their time, i.e. SFC/PS1 era. So they have this idea of JRPGs being about a grand adventure with boundary-pushing graphics, which are hardly what they are today besides a few exceptions. But there are still a ton of cool JRPGs to play as long as you don't require every game you play to have hyper-advanced graphics or be an all-encompassing adventure.
Of course the genre has diversity issues (to say the least), and a ton of tropes can be annoying, but they're still very good games mechanically for the most part. And many of them even tell cool stories.
Sure, but most of them are contenders for best games of all time.
Mario RPG
FF6
Chronotrigger
Earthbound
Even if it was just them and no others it would be an amazing lineup.
More in response to OP: BoF3 & 4 are legit amazing games. Each with their own strengths.
As for SNES, it does tend to be "overrated" overall if you ask me. It has a ton of amazing games don't get me wrong, but there's this floating narrative of a "golden age of gaming" with 16-bit era which feels pretty weird to me. I was there. I was happy to be there. But I got to play the good AND the bad at the time. It was just another console generation with its gems and its crap.
As for SNES, it does tend to be "overrated" overall if you ask me. It has a ton of amazing games don't get me wrong, but there's this floating narrative of a "golden age of gaming" with 16-bit era which feels pretty weird to me. I was there. I was happy to be there. But I got to play the good AND the bad at the time. It was just another console generation with its gems and its crap.
You can't be serious that FF7 looks worse than WA. The audiovisual aspect of FF7 blew every other JRPG until that time out of the water. You can't also just say 'outside of battles' because battles make up almost half the playing time. Look how bad it aged.
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy VI
Final Fantasy V
Final Fantasy IV
EarthBound
Soul Blazer
Illusion of Gaia
Terranigma
Dragon Quest V
Dragon Quest VI
Secret of Mana
Seiken Densetsu 3
Secret of Evermore
Super Mario RPG
Lufia
Lufia II
Tales of Phantasia
A few of those are more on the action RPG side, but the point stands: Super NES RPGs totally weren't great except for one or two. :P
Final Fantasy VI
Final Fantasy V
Final Fantasy IV
EarthBound
Soul Blazer
Illusion of Gaia
Terranigma
Dragon Quest V
Dragon Quest VI
Secret of Mana
Seiken Densetsu 3
Secret of Evermore
Super Mario RPG
Lufia
Lufia II
Tales of Phantasia
A few of those are more on the action RPG side, but the point stands: Super NES RPGs totally weren't great except for one or two. :P
You really shouldn't count Ys III and IV on SNES as good games. They are good games on other systems. The SNES version is way worse than the others.
Yeah, the PS1 remake of Phantasia is amazing, my second favorite Tales game, after Eternia.