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Iran admits to shooting down Ukrainian airliner
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Agree completely with the first part of this post. I don't really the blame game brings much illumination here. The greater lesson, and it's a very old one, is that two opposed military states creating a state of heightened tension and fear in each other's spheres of control can lead to tragedy and death because you are then depending on the cool judgment and capabilities of untold numbers of soldiers, bureaucrats, and civilian functionaries to make all the right decisions to avoid catastrophe. One or two fuckups and this is what you get, or worse.
Excuses me? Yes it is. Soleimani has personally ordered the deaths of countless Americans, Iraqis, Syrians, Iranians, and more.
Who is defending American militarism?
No one in this conflict is a good guy, it's just different types of bad and the people that suffer because of it.
If you want to stop defending mass murderers, stop defending the entire US executive branch, past and present, who are all just as culpable and guilty in the murders of millions.
It's good to finally admit that you literally only care when it's an American life being taken though, how many brown people are equal to one American life?
Youre literally bringing up biblical characters in your reasons for the current geopolitical situation in Iran, this is in the level of George Bush bringing up Gog and Magog for some stupid clash of the civilisations shit
The fuck? First of all where am I defending Trump, and secondly where did I say I only care about Americans? I said the US government acted because the death of Americans.
You do your argument no service by willfully misrepresenting others.
That was obviously a fanatical example of how far back you can trace this conflict.
Cool, so I'll wait to see the heads of those that ordered US intervention in my country for the dead of thousands, sponsored by the US since they are the only ones who can do that.
That's
The
Point
Iran is to blame for this. But people has the right to feel that is also a consequence of US interventionism.
Placing the blame entirely on Iran in this scenario is a defense of Trumps horrid foreign policy actions in the region and the entire lead up to the events, willingly overlooking history in regards to current political actions is the height of American arrogance.
The deaths of the innocent don't matter to these people, it's just point scoring for their "team".
Thank god they said the truth this time because the families of the victims are the ones left in the dust here, still find it mind-boggling as to why they even tried covering this up. I don't buy the US is at fault here, this was in the middle of an Iranian attack, not a US one, it should've been a priority for Iran to make sure things like that won't happen while they're attacking another country from their territory.
I don't see your point? Does this statement make Soleimani any less a monster? He's just a monster with company.
So that's the explanation. That's it. No, this war mongering, death profiteering government has no other agenda. Nope.
Is Trump a monster ? Should he be assassinated by the US government?
Could you please delete the poll? It's tasteless and doesn't add anything.
The history of the region didn't shot down this plane.
Blame the US for all the shit they have done, but this historic and tragic fuckup is the result of a very basic breakdown in the Iranian military and civilian air traffic and defense system. Period.
sorry but this argument can be applied to most nations higher up military personnel(commanding or any soldier with a weapon) so other countries should be assassinating other country military?
Just a high amount of "taking down the bad guy" Excuses all around the world?
You've misinterpreted the argument of at least 5 or more posters by implying they're "stanning" Iran or that they're absolving Iran of blame in this situation.
It's been a tense situation recently, to be sure. It's okay to take a step back.
It would seem you only care about those that Soleimani killed, that's the point. The world has seen how much the US has fucked places, killed, allowed atrocities, destroyed societies, etc. we are tired of giving the US a pass. If your world is black and white, maybe this will sound "making Soleimani less a monster".
When did I say he should have been assassinated by the US?
They mean that if Americans love this bad guy accountability shit, they should start by looking at their own home base.
Period? Why are you acting like your opinion on this is the final word? Many people in this thread obviously think the greater context is important, but you keep dismissing their viewpoints as "useless."
Who is saying otherwise?
Why are you putting quotes around a word I never used?
I thought you said useless, but you in actuality you said "pointless." Thesaurus.com lists them as synonyms. Sue me.
Now could you answer my question?
When a demented megalomaniac is in control of one of the world's largest armies and threatens your country (and has already provoked by assassinating their top general!), it's easy to see how the mistake was made. The blame is equal. To say Iran is 100% at fault is ignorance to a level where I do not wish to interact with them any further.
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Uh huh, but accountability for non Americans seems to be drone strike to the face, yet every former President walks free. You're saying that the US acted (by bombing a sovereign country) to a threat, yet the US have people doing the exact same thing, directly or indirectly, yet no one is droning them.
Because I think they are wrong, just like they think I am? Your question doesn't make much sense to me, can you explain?
No one has defended Soleimani in the thread and yet you keep accusing people of things like this. It's pretty disgusting, to be frank.
That doesn't answer my question. I'm asking why YOU are using language that shuts down discussion and positions your answers as all that needs to be said about this subject.
I haven't accused anyone of anything, I asked one person a question based on their post.
The ability of certain ppl to intentionally misread ppl's words and to twist themselves into pretzels to defend 1 countries atrocities while condemning the other's is frankly staggering.
I'm actually not sure if it's on purpose or not anymore.
It's ok to take a step back if you can't engage honestly with others and recollect yourself.
I'm actually not sure if it's on purpose or not anymore.
It's ok to take a step back if you can't engage honestly with others and recollect yourself.
I second this.
Will only serve to stir shit.
Iran should have come clean right out of the gate, what a clusterfuck.
Well clearly my language doesn't shut down discussion, as we are still discussing things right now.
This.
Anyone trying to say that Trump played no part in this is just plain wrong.
I think I'd rather go to sleep than try to solve the continuing effects of colonialism and free agency tonight.