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Iran admits to shooting down Ukrainian airliner
- Thread starter FriskyCanuck
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Who is shifting blame away from Iran?
It's scary how some people shift blame away from Trump when he unnecessarily and illegally carried out an assassination that led to this string of disastrous events.
Its mostly Trump's fault for the escalating tensions but this plane ordeal is 100% on Iran.
And he is being blamed for that assassination. Is Iran being blamed for it for their participation in the events that eventually led to his death? No. It's not like the United States decided to one day kill this guy, there was a chain of events as well. Stop blaming the chain for these specific events.
Or you could blame Iran for orchestrating an attack on our embassy and murdering a US civilian.
And so on and so on and so on. It's pointless to go down that path.
It is crazy how Twitter has become the major platform for nation leaders to send this kind of information.
That string of events did not start with the assassination.
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That's just the nature of technological progress. It used to be radio, then TV, now it's social media.
That's kind of where my opinion is at.
If they want to de-escalate, admit wrong doing now, pursue prosecution and show compassion that is good with me. If they follow this up by returning the bodies of the dead to their home nations quickly too that would reinforce a favourable view. It's a terrible situation that needs to be made better.
This is basically my take, but really, just... what an awful, senseless, pointless tragedy. I hope this is the last we see of this conflict.
JFC...they shot down a civilian airliner minutes after it took off from an international airport from the largest city (and capital) of their own nation. They didn't ground flights when they knew they were firing missiles and there existed the possibility of retaliation. They sought to warn Iraq and the US they were firing missiles to minimize/prevent casualties at their intended targets but somehow didn't think to safeguard their own nation. This is a colossal screw up on Iran's part that they could have prevented in so many ways.
I am pretty shocked Iran admitted this. They did everything to try and clumsily cover it up and look mega-guilty in the process. I would have just kept denying it if I were them.
In less than what, two days, this whole story turned from "America assassinated a general on foreign soil" to "Iranians shoot down a civilian airliner and tried to cover it up". Iran could not have handled this any worse.
In less than what, two days, this whole story turned from "America assassinated a general on foreign soil" to "Iranians shoot down a civilian airliner and tried to cover it up". Iran could not have handled this any worse.
Problem is the chain will always end at American imperialism when it comes to pretty much half of the fucked up geopolitical conflicts in the world today.
Even Iran in 2020 is effectively America's creation from overthrowing their legally elected president in the 50's.
My beef is that its easy to pop in here and say, Iran sucks. Lets have 300 replies saying the same thing. i mean duh, they killed 200 people on a fucking airplane. Even the 'defenders' here hate them
But to say we just need to focus on today's events, or the vague 'there were incidents before trump', ensures shit like this will happen again. Because even if Iran didn't shoot down that airplane, civilian death was already in the cards with the recent attacks
As a Canadian, this is a bad take and it's all Iran's fault, and I also don't know what the hell being a Canadian has anything to do with this matter
Reminder: they shot a civilian plane leaving their own airport
Why because you don't agree with them? It's not like he's being a total ass. I don't know how you're able to function in the real world if his replies require and ignore.
They admitted it after being cornered. If the US and allied nations didn't have proof they would have never admitted it (i.e, same way Russia never admitted anything)
While I'm not underestimating the act itself, there's a difference between a domestic and an international incident.
No, the entire blame should go to Iran Civil Aviation Organization for allowing commercial airplanes to operate during heightened tensions.
There should be a fucking international law banning commercial operations above a nation that is in the brink of war. Including the downing of Malaysian airlines MH17, We lost 474 innocent lives to incompetence.
Seriously, there is a precedent too. Both India and Pakistan closed their airspace to commercial aircraft during last year tensions.
I think it's more that there's so much news and craziness happening so fast that every day feels like weeks ago.
If one of our soldiers kills a non-combatant in cold blood, we hold them responsible. We realize that the military and war can break people down psychologically, but we also realize that at some point most responsibility lies with the person who pulled the trigger. They had a duty to be sure of their target, it's a total failure of whatever system they have in place to determine that, and they failed with such magnitude they targeted a plane that took off from their own airport. I do think Trump shares culpability for destabilizing things to the degree they were that day, a week earlier and this likely would not have happened, but I think that it was able to happen at all points to a huge degree of irresponsibility on their part giving them the lions share of the blame.
But, it's not like it's something that can be objectively measured, who gets what portion of blame, so I understand where you are coming from.
Thank you. Fuck outta here with that. He cannot be disassociated from this hot mess. Everyone knows why tensions were so high here. Everybody.
Eh, what? It's not like he's saying anything malicious. That is exactly what happened.
There's a time to discuss the events of escalation in the region, but this is a country shooting down a passenger plane leaving their capital's airport. No one is forbidding the discussions of America's imperialism in the region, but that's not about this. This is about Iran shooting down a passenger plane. Blaming Iran doesn't remove or ignore the actions of the United States, but going, "Trump has blood on his hands" does shed some blame from Iran which is 100% wrong and no one should be doing that.
Which is why I didn't normally jump to the conclusion it was a middle strike, it would be so idiotic to be firing at airplanes leaving your own airport. Well they are that incompetent apparently.
100% Irans fault, period. Their incompetence has absolutely nothing to do with Trump. Holy fkn shit
When Soleimani brings in Iraqis to kill his own people, it's both.
The Iranian government isn't worth staning for.
Probably because nearly a third of the passengers were Canadians?
Let's not act like civilian planes haven't been used to attack nations either.
Nah you don't get to erase involvement from America that constantly escalated tensions with Iran for little to no reason.
No way. A 'better' version would be if rather than simply blocking people from leaving the staff got spooked and shot everybody...
Stop painting Iran as a bystander in all this. They are not innocent in this conflict.
There are bad people making bad decisions everywhere in this, and the people of the Middle East paying for it.
I hate Trump's guts, but the Iranian military had all the time to prep and decide on their military actions here and they fucked it up royally by destroying a civilian plane in their very own capitol. Like come on. Someone said it best earlier: If you blame the US fully for a similar incident in 1988 (which you should), why aren't you blaming the proper people here? Ya'll got some warped sense of view to twist it any other way.
