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Iran admits to shooting down Ukrainian airliner
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It's the same fucking thing. They both got trigger happy and shot civilian airliners down. The US ship just assumed the airliner was an attacking F14 even though the airliner's IFF was clearly of a civilian aircraft which just took off 7 minutes prior from a civilian airport.
This is a troll reply. I could have sworn I've seen you say this to other sources as well.
Or admitting they fucked up instead of doubling and thrilling down on lies.
Precisely, flight 655 and MH 17 were tragedies of the highest order brought upon by a combination of gross incompetence and itchy trigger fingers.
But to shoot down a civilian airliner taking off from your nation's capital beggers belief.
This is a much better response. Owned up to what happened, didn't try to contextualize it as an inevitability of being on alert, and they didn't call the people that were fucking murdered martyrs.
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Oh, so you think Iran's previous statement that it was "scientifically impossible" that the plane was shot down was just an opinion then.
No it wouldnt have, and they're lieing about that afaik.
Iran is a backwards isolated country, Military theocracy ostracized from most of the world using out dated equipment and with poorly trained soldiers, ride corruption yadda yadda
The "rebels" were led by Russian Army generals and Colonels, under orders from Moscow.
this was my first thought when I saw that news clip that explained the missiles exploded prior to hitting the plane and destroyed it with shrapnel. You'd hope they all died instantly but after hearing that, i don't think so :(((
The Islamic Republic of Iran deeply regrets
Both giant fuck ups, but shooting down a plane as it is taking off from your own airport factually means even more systems needed to fail.
And this is a pretty academic argument, as I would argue 655 was also 100% the US' fault, just like Iran is at fault here.
This is where I'm falling on this tragedy. An unprecedented, colossal fuckup from Iran, but one that would never have happened if the USA hadn't needlessly provoked them.
My heart goes out to the victims's families. Just an awful, senseless, and heartbreaking way to start 2020, and a grim reminder of how fucked up our world is right now.
Edit: Also, I should add that it's fucking infuriating that Iran lied (and is still lying) about this, and they should not get a pass on it. I hate Trump as much as anyone, and I loathe to think of how he's going to use this tragedy to justify further fuckery, but the dishonesty of Iran is something people SHOULD be pissed about.
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There isn't. One party shot the plane down. The attempt to deflect blame is pathetic.
If you go down the provoked path, that road never ends.
One government shot down this plane.
That lightning fast talking point shift from "Why would you believe what western intelligence agencies are saying?" to "It's refreshing to see a government being so honest for once?" though...
When you're such a free thinker that you just can't stop carrying water for despotic regimes!
When you're such a free thinker that you just can't stop carrying water for despotic regimes!
Blood on everyone's hands, Iran was just not prepared for the pressure of a possible direct confrontation with the US they may practice and run drills and simulations but when was the last time they had America actually directly confront them, whoever was manning those weapons buckled under the immense pressure.
Iran never would have shot it down if they didn't lob face saving missiles a few minutes before, so they would had no retaliation from the US to fear.
I mean some shitty YouTuber usually gets dragged through the coals much worse when they offer their crappy apologies. I mean this admission and thought and prayers is fucking abysmal.
I hate the orange turd as much as the next intelligent person, but this is 100% Iran's fault. US government didn't mistakingly start shooting their own civilian planes after 9/11.
Fucking idiot with the itchy trigger finger holding his hand over the red button did it.
Fucking idiot with the itchy trigger finger holding his hand over the red button did it.
It's worth noting that it took eight years for the US to settle out of court for Iran Air Flight 655, and they've to this day not accepted culpability or apologised.
Think how different the world would be, it still existed, if a different guy was on Stanislav's station that day.
Stanislav Petrov - Wikipedia
This guy single handledly prevented a nuclear war. By not launching missiles. Even though his system reported American missiles heading towards Russia.
Pretty much. Once footage of litterally the instance where missiles shot the plane down came out it would be idiotic to keep denying it.
Except they've been lying for 4 days and had to admit it when the evidence was going to come out. But yeah their honesty is refreshing.
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if you want to make us the litmus test for an easy out then good on you i guess. but don;t think for a moment that if iran could do the same they wouldn't have
You do have a point there. What I'm most angry with Iran about though (as I edited in my post above before reading your response), is the attempted cover up and continuing dishonesty.
No matter how obviously this is his fault, thanks to Iran's mistake, public outrage will face them, not him.
Yeah I'm not really arguing that, they're both 100% at their own fault for letting these happen. But both are fuckups nonetheless and the end result is the same.
Hope they do thorough investigation and we get to know what really happened. I wonder if the fact that the Ukrainian airline flight was delayed an hour might have contributed to this shoot down :/
It's scary how y'all will shift some blame away from Iran on this as if they aren't the ones who did it.
Yea I'm putting this thread on ignore,it's all already started ( blaming the airline now too), I should be shocked but sadly I'm not. This site surprises me everyday with its takes.
Yes, the point was that this was not a well-organised military but rebels in a war zone with no control/information about the plane traffic in the area. I think it's quite obvious that Iran's fuck ups here are of a much higher order of magnitude.
if Iran were nuclear the US wouldn't be fucking with their sovereignty and assassinating their general in a friendly country while he had a diplomatic passport.
Looking at countries the US fucks with versus countries that the US doesn't fuck with its shown that having the capability to own or produce a nuclear weapon makes you part of the latter.
I just don't get it. It's not like the Iranian government deserves any of the aggressive defense it has been receiving.
Think how different the world would be, it still existed, if a different guy was on Stanislav's station that day.
Stanislav Petrov - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
This guy single handledly prevented a nuclear war. By not launching missiles. Even though his system reported American missiles heading towards Russia.
All in all both countries got out of the situation with blood on their hands and black eyes each. The only reason things haven't escalated and Iran felt safe admitting it all, beside all the evidence and being called out, is that it cost no American lives, it's a shit thing to think but it's the only reason Trump isn't going to give much fucks about it beyond the additional sanctions it's imposed.
