Oh god, whoever is posting on their Twitter is an idiot. Gotta be Terminx or that other dumb fuck that has an account here.
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Ion Fury to retain homophobic content after all
- Thread starter Biestmann
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I like that they call out The Simpsons, as if a show that hit its peak in the 1980's and early '90s making off-color jokes is the same as a brand new video game in 2019 doing the same thing
Even still, when The Simpsons made gay jokes it was at least trying to satirize homophobes being ridiculous, at least in the most well known example (Smithers is another thing entirely). Going "Olay but... OGAY!!!!" is peurile and barely even qualifies as a joke.
Even still, when The Simpsons made gay jokes it was at least trying to satirize homophobes being ridiculous, at least in the most well known example (Smithers is another thing entirely). Going "Olay but... OGAY!!!!" is peurile and barely even qualifies as a joke.
One of their latest tweets seems to imply that the studio wrote an apology, but the pub/pr firm added to it.
Regardless, its such an unusual situation and its hard to fathom a studio being this brazen
At this point everybody should be able to see through these kind of posts for what they really are.
OK, but the content you're championing in this instance is a homophobic slur that doesn't even contribute to the game's storytelling.
Given the other comments from the devs about how "Fagbags" isn't hate speech, and there was never hate speech in their game, I'd question how good their original apology was and there was probably a reason the PR firm changed it.
I love hiding behind the good ole "we won't give in to censorship" stance. Fuck outta here, cut the shit out the game and stop shaming people for who they love in fucking 2019.
What a shame, I love old school shooters like this one(the DOOM games are some of my favorite games of all time), they will just not get the money.
They did apologize. And it came from Terminx (Richard Gobeille) and Evan Ramos. Both developers at Voidpoint, and 3DR also behind them.
Richard Gobeille and Evan Ramos said:
Also, they haven't retracted their apology. They did say that they regret their initial decision to change the texture, but have not said that they regret their initial apology.
That's nothing new. It's even used here to shut down criticism when it pretains to issues the person would rather not think about such as female character designs.
Considering I haven't even heard of this game until this thread I think it's obvious why they've gone this route. Grab some headlines and go after simpletons who will throw their money at something to "own the libs" or whatever.
So yeah, fuck these goons. It isn't about "censorship." It's about erasing hate.
So yeah, fuck these goons. It isn't about "censorship." It's about erasing hate.
Hmm none of this matters when this action wipes out their apology
I don't trust a single word they say until they pony up multiple receipts and have a 3rd party verify they're legit.
Which is now utterly pointless given their knee bending to Alt-Righters.
Now it seems the 'sensitive training' was also bullshit.
That's not unusual, it's been used against women in gaming for years, that we waren't "real" gamers, and were never going to play the game but just want to ruin guys things.
I think this situation is a bit more complicated than that, but I can totally understand why you'd feel that way.
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Limitations on hate speech is a nightmare scenario for bigots and racists.
Heteros find the word "gay" or the idea of two men together incredibly funny for some reason. I don't understand either.
It isn't a complicated situation at all lol.
What is complex about this?
Edited down my post.
I am a 90's gamer and love the 3D Realms' classics. But just because we are nostalgic for the gameplay/design elements and that era, doesn't mean we can't also see the need for certain things to change.
I can enjoy a piece of content/media from that era even if it would be deemed insensible now (to some degree). But this doesn't mean we should be using nostalgia as a vehicle or excuse to create hateful or hurtful narratives in new media.
Ion Maiden is a throwback, but it is still new media. A new release.
The Olay joke is stupid, agreed. But harmless? Maybe in isolation. But not given the context created by everything surrounding 3D Realms and the developer. Not at all. This is not harmless. This is hateful.
I am a 90's gamer and love the 3D Realms' classics. But just because we are nostalgic for the gameplay/design elements and that era, doesn't mean we can't also see the need for certain things to change.
I can enjoy a piece of content/media from that era even if it would be deemed insensible now (to some degree). But this doesn't mean we should be using nostalgia as a vehicle or excuse to create hateful or hurtful narratives in new media.
Ion Maiden is a throwback, but it is still new media. A new release.
The Olay joke is stupid, agreed. But harmless? Maybe in isolation. But not given the context created by everything surrounding 3D Realms and the developer. Not at all. This is not harmless. This is hateful.
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Yeah, I think I worded my post as if I was surprised. I'm not. It's just super messed up. And it's always the same people. Always.
It's very tiring.
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If we're talking Simpsons episodes that were made ten years ago, sure. But they're still making Simpsons episodes now. We can expect them to not do dumb shit now. (Also, The Simpsons is probably pretty low in the problematic '90s television scale, considering their having an episode dedicated to homophobia.)
Fucking trashy ass bigoted straight developers. Fuck them.
Getting rid of homophobic content is censoring themselves? They deserve to lose money from this. This industry has a real fucking problem.
Getting rid of homophobic content is censoring themselves? They deserve to lose money from this. This industry has a real fucking problem.
A lot of people want "free speech" to come with the additional "that no one can criticize" clause. Which is hilariously hypocritical when you see their arguments against anything that includes, say, a female main character.
Also a lot of gamers seem to have it in their heads that self-censoring a video game is a slippery slope to China censoring Winnie the Pooh-style totalitarianism.
This is confusing. So is the "unoffensive joke we liked better" being patched into the game? AKA, Ogay being rewritten as something else?
This may halt the review bombing for their game, but they've absolutely legitimized its practical effectiveness -- which might actually be the most far-reaching fallout from this.
The word "censorship" carries sinister connotations that I just don't think apply here. You can make edits to your work for a variety of reasons, and often it's part of the process. In this case it's clearly quite up to them whether to include the soap or not, seeing as how they removed it and added it on their own.
What are the big console makers stances on this going to be? Surely Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo won't allow a game to be published on their platform with words like that being used in childish jokes.
Saying you stand by this shit is just saying you are ok with the harassment and demeaning of LGBT people everywhere. I will be incredibly sad if the Big 3 allow this filth to be published on their platforms at all at this point, change or not.
Steam should allow full refunds to anyone who bought this trash pile of a game after the apology as well.
Saying you stand by this shit is just saying you are ok with the harassment and demeaning of LGBT people everywhere. I will be incredibly sad if the Big 3 allow this filth to be published on their platforms at all at this point, change or not.
Steam should allow full refunds to anyone who bought this trash pile of a game after the apology as well.
I think we all do tbh.
There's a reason they immediately framed this as censorship.
It is confusing. I don't believe so, I think they're saying that because of that line from the PR agency they had to take a hard-line stance against censorship and thus must keep the OGAY bottle in.
Which doesn't make much sense as-is to me, but I believe that's the gist.
It's a stretch, but I believe they initial apology was, you know, bullcrap.
But no one was censoring the game... The game isn't censored and ain't gonna be, people just wanted things to change, that decision is to be made by the creators. Actual censorship happens when this is forced upon it. Hope you learned something today.
This is actually really scary to see it spreading so massively on Twitter right now. I'm like "dude, I actually thought the game was really cool and was interested in it, and I'm from the so-called "woke crowd", I'm missing something?".
I am in agreement with this. They could have changed it on their own with no impact on the final product, instead they are willfully choosing to leave it homophobic. To me that speaks volumes.
Doubtful. That dude has clearly shitty intentions with his comment.
