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Ion Fury |OT| Maiden Build
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Going by post #154, it should be unlocking in an hour or two, I think. Or releasing, however you want to put it.
A review isn't a buyer's guide. It's just a critic's opinion of a product. In this case the review is even just headlined as "Wot I Think".
I think the review at the very least does a pretty good job showing that the game possibly does a bad job onboarding players who are new to older FPS games like it.
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A review by definition is a buyers guide. It's the sole reason for it's existence. Game journos are not critics. They never were. They don't critique anything. They play a game and inform the potential buyers on what they might get and how much they might like something. This guy's piece serves no one. He's not giving a secondary opinion or anything. He literally has no idea about what he's doing.
Isn't that kind of useful to people who are like the reviewer though? Not every review needs to be for the hardcore fans who already know they're going to like the game. Sometimes getting an outsider to review it is useful because that way people who are also outsiders to the style can make a better judgement on whether they think they might like it than from someone just gushing over the game endlessly.
I'd quite happily read a website comprised of fighting game reviews by someone who doesn't usually get on with fighting games for example.
Nope.
lol
A review for games is and always was a guide for purchase. Thats it. Game people are not critics. They dont critique anything. They play a game then put their experience in words so you know if that game it worth your time and money
I dont think so. Actually the hardest of fans have the most insight into how a good game looks like and what elements are important or less important. I mean, i think guys that have the biggest knowledge in a given subject are the guys capable of telling you about said product.
A guy not having idea about what he's talking about may be something to read on the side and maybe chuckle a bit. But now having it be the review article
So what you're saying is they're critics
you need to stop with the rigid dictionary definitions. And even then, game journos are not judging the merits of art, lol. they play a game then write what happened. And you read it and decide if you wanna spend money or not.
Ah shit, I totally missed that PS4 is "coming later" and was gearing up to dive in this weekend! Arrgghhhh...
Level design comments and the ability to 'get lost' are arousing me just slightly.
Level design comments and the ability to 'get lost' are arousing me just slightly.
After i watched a video review played on the hard difficulty equivalent i cant imagine this being playable on a controller. Enemies in open spaces, firing from every direction, above you, below you. Play it on pc
That is... what a critic does. I don't understand what you think a critic is?
A: "You're wrong"
B: "No, I'm right, and here's proof"
A: "Don't use proof on me!"
That's you. You're A in this example. Don't be A, it's not a good look.
(PS: That is 100% what a critic is. People who review video games are video game critics.)
I think my critique of his critique is perfectly fair, though. How is this gate-keeping? I hate that kind of attitude and that's not at all what I was thinking.
My issue with that review is the tone - it's way too snarky for its good. It's designed to annoy people not give an honest assessment. He's not breaking down why he didn't like it. I absolutely believe that this isn't for everyone and never felt it would be but that's not what I'm complaining about. It does nobody good to take that tone and, honestly, it puts projects like this at risk. I'd love to hear a proper assessment from someone that isn't into these sorts of games but that is NOT it.
It's extremely uncommon for me to critique another's review - I typically don't like to engage in that but here, I feel it's warranted. I'd be happy to talk about my videos in this way and I'm happy to discuss with those that take the time to write their thoughts. I did not flippantly criticize their work - I carefully thought that through. It has the potential to be a good piece but I feel it's really not well written.
Really? I think that's really unfair to say, honestly, but that's your opinion. You've successfully made me feel like complete shit now.
If you think it's warranted to call someone else's review awful and whining, don't be shocked if people treat your content in the same way.
It's disrespectful language and something I have came out to defend you against, because I do not think that level of vitriol and attempt to dismiss someone you disagree with is fair.
I'm sorry but if you feel that way, you should have considered how what you said about the RPS writer could make them feel. Would you want to engage with me in good faith if I started out by saying I found your video awful?
I can see your point but...I really don't feel that's what I was trying to do. I just wanted to talk about it. I didn't intend to insult them or anything.
That's fine, though. I hate myself too. It's been a tough year for me and I have no reason to bring misery to anyone else. Clearly I was in the wrong to critique that review - I genuinely didn't intend what you seem to have read which makes me question everything. I guess I have no choice but to disappear for a while. Interacting here isn't healthy for someone in such a poor state as myself.
And there is no hint of toxicity in said criticism as well. But back to the topic of the game itself I'm really looking forward to seeing all the video game references that have been placed by the devs. Already spotted references to Unreal and Half-Life in some of the video reviews posted!
I find it funny (and sad) that everyone else can criticize / talk shit about the RPS review, but Dark1x gets piled on for voicing his criticisms.
Critics should never critique other critics, lest the power of their words spawn a legion of trolls from the dankest recesses of the cyber abyss to assail the target of their ire.
Agreed. It's really sad that some people want to silence any voice that isn't in lock-step with their own. No matter how mild that voice may be.
Mm, and now one of the better posters on the site has potentially been chased away. His post was measured, reasonable and well-elucidated. What a fucking shame.
How sad, how the toxicity took over this thread. Especially how much flag John is getting. If criticism is well grounded where is the issue, I do not get it.
Hey, relax man, everything's cool, It's like two posters overreacting. They're random strangers that don't know you, don't give people that kind of power.
I once got stuck reviewing a soccer game. I had the Test PS3 and there was no practical way to get it to anyone else more suited to the game. I reviewed it from the perspective of someone who cares, because absolutely nobody reading the article came to hear about my indifference.
There are ways to bring a personal view to a review without making it about the writer. You're absolutely right to call out this review for failing to do it. More, you're on your personal time here at Resetera, rather than writing a Digital Foundry article on bad reviewing practives and kicking this writer in the teeth, so ragging on it with reasonable criticism is fine.
I'll never understand the "I know your work so you have to be that work 24/7, forever." mentality.
What you're saying is logical, but sometimes it isn't that easy.
I don't have a computer of any sort at home but a literally broken-down work desktop :/
In other words, not an option.
No I know, just trying to be a bit encouraging instead of just ignoring.
The "Overwhelmingly Positive" on Steam pretty much speaks for itself that it is something worth your time. I'm in!! I don't think I've ever actually played a game like though, outside of Doom when I was a kid lol
Worst case scenario though I'm out $21~
Lets do thissss!!!!
P.S. First thing modders should do is change the name back
Worst case scenario though I'm out $21~
Lets do thissss!!!!
P.S. First thing modders should do is change the name back
Amazing game, it was everything I wanted from a Descent sequel and I was more than happy to back it!
Former reviewer here, reviews can be either buyer's guides or critical appraisals. In every medium examples exist of both types of reviews.
They aren't rigidly one or the other. Furthermore, a review from the perspective of 'I haven't played this type of game before' is useful for people that haven't played this type of game before. A review from the perspective of someone who was playing games like this back in 96 is also useful for people who played games like this back in 96.
If you are bothered by any particular approach to game criticism, I'd just advise you don't read that type, and not get hung up on things like metacritic scores or gameranking or whatever.
Personally, I'm excited to play this. I love the idea of a new game with this old technology, and the Digital Foundry coverage sold me on this completely.
They aren't rigidly one or the other. Furthermore, a review from the perspective of 'I haven't played this type of game before' is useful for people that haven't played this type of game before. A review from the perspective of someone who was playing games like this back in 96 is also useful for people who played games like this back in 96.
If you are bothered by any particular approach to game criticism, I'd just advise you don't read that type, and not get hung up on things like metacritic scores or gameranking or whatever.
Personally, I'm excited to play this. I love the idea of a new game with this old technology, and the Digital Foundry coverage sold me on this completely.
Sweet, finishing work in half an hours time plus heading out for a a 10k run. After that I'll spend some sweet time with that Lover Boy revolver!*
*no innuendo here, move along :P
*no innuendo here, move along :P
Forgot to mention earlier- My Ion Maiden review branch didn't arrive until yesterday so, while there's no official review from me, I'm enjoying the hell out of it. I loved the Early Access levels and the 1.5 areas I've explored in the full game are a lot of fun to blast through. I've always been a big fan of this type of game, where the gunplay gets all the attention but there's plenty of exploring once you've cleared out the horde, and Ion Fury (again, the little I've played) would have stood strong with the best of the 90s.
You'll see in about 30-ish minutes, though. :)
You'll see in about 30-ish minutes, though. :)
Huh, they're doing a PS4 version of this as well? I was expecting this to be PC exclusive for the hardcore crowd, but that's nice, I hope it does well on console too when it eventually releases.
I really want this, but my history of playing Duke3D and many other Build games as a teenager on my 90s PC means that I'm pretty solidly feeling on the M&KB spectrum for it, and I don't really have the space for that anymore as all my gaming is done on a sofa these days. I wonder if I could buy a cheap, small keyboard and use a dining tray on my lap or something...
I really want this, but my history of playing Duke3D and many other Build games as a teenager on my 90s PC means that I'm pretty solidly feeling on the M&KB spectrum for it, and I don't really have the space for that anymore as all my gaming is done on a sofa these days. I wonder if I could buy a cheap, small keyboard and use a dining tray on my lap or something...
You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. If you think the right to reply and criticise is silencing others, what do you think John's post was?
Your opinion aligns with John's so you support the denigration of another, can you not see that?
Of course not.
I have defended John from people criticising him for such massive transgressions such as getting a fucking resolution wrong. It's petty, and brings nothing to the table.
Going on a rant about how the industry has changed and pinning roundabout blame on a review that epitomises that change isn't bringing anything other to the table than yelling at clouds.
I'll say one thing about the lack of hand holding and remind people that this is a fallacy. For a start, the likes of Duke Nukem 3D didn't tell people in game about stuff like a map because it came with a manual.
Said manuals of the 90's were a work of art in itself and sadly aren't there any more. Games now tell you in game what they used to tell you in print.
Now, TAB has been a map button since ever in my mind, but there's a generation of people who will not know that. In the absence of a paper manual, nothing wrong with telling someone.
The expectation of knowledge with no effort to inform is not a point of positivity and being "old school" isn't a defence.
Only the writer did actually care enough to describe enemy types, gunplay and each other element of the game. The fact that the map structure stayed with them and soured their experience is valid, but if you stopped reading at the first paragraph, well, more fool you.