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Ion Fury devs show signs of transphobia among other issues. [Update: Voidpoint apologizes in statement, see threadmarks]
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3D Realms has nothing to do with this situation, though. This is all on the individual developer.
Here's another one.
Was hyped, was going to buy now fuck this game and this dev and 3DR for barely doing anything about it.
My dollars will go towards Remnant!
Was hyped, was going to buy now fuck this game and this dev and 3DR for barely doing anything about it.
My dollars will go towards Remnant!
Meant dog whistle in the sense he's exaggerating something that more modern parents(like you, like you said in your post)do, which is not enforce any gender view "girls wear pink, boys blue", to a degree of ridiculousness, to rile people up to a problem that doesn't exist. no parent, or an insane small number, actually does this, to even be a thing to be considered and feared.
It definitely not surprising. Apparently the Brutal Doom guy is also a complete scum sucker
Can you imagine lurking ResetEra just to get mad at it? Talk about wanting to hate fuck something
I was starting to think about picking this up after seeing positive impressions. Fuck that now though.
It's a straw-man because there's no parents doing such a thing. It's being outraged about somethign that doesn't exist in order to spread fear and misinformation around trans people.
It's the literal definition of transphobia, fear and paranoia around people's gender identities to the extent of spreading outright lies.
It's not really exclusive to the right, Reddit for example has r/forwardsfromhitler, r/gendercynical, r/thebluepill, etc. that are geared towards finding heinous shit people post on the internet.
I think beyond a research/keeping tabs method of things of dangerous people and ideas, it's an unhealthy thing to do.
What would you expect 3DR to do here?
And how do you know that none of the Remnant devs never said anything shitty? Or a game is good up until the point you learn that someone on the dev team is not a saint?
"It was taken out of context and shame on you for witch hunting!"
Can someone tell me in what possible way someone saying "SJW" in a derogatory way and for talking about Transphobia badly could be taken "out of context" positively??
There's literally no reason to use those words in a good way when mocking them. I cannot believe some people are saying that we have taken their words out of context so that they can defend them.
Can someone tell me in what possible way someone saying "SJW" in a derogatory way and for talking about Transphobia badly could be taken "out of context" positively??
There's literally no reason to use those words in a good way when mocking them. I cannot believe some people are saying that we have taken their words out of context so that they can defend them.
User Banned (Permanent): Dismissing transphobic rhetoric, history of severe infractions.
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I get zero sense of "outrage" from his comment.
He simply said if you do this your mentally ill. I don't even think that's spreading misinformation. It's simply an opinion of his regardless of it being rooted in reality or not.
Not sure how anyone could read that comment and think "oh man, why is everyone acting like this with their newborns"
I understand this stuff is highly sensitive. But because of that I think people will take off the cuff opinions way more seriously than they need to be taken.
The whole dev team does not deserve to be tossed under the bus due to some comments made by a couple of devs. Ones I'm not even sure are as severe as I'm led to believe from the majority of the comments made in this thread.
Call them out specifically, get the higher ups to reprimand this guy, fire him, what ever. But stop trying to shit all over this game and everyone that had a hand at making it.
It's PATHETIC.
I get zero sense of "outrage" from his comment.
He simply said if you do this your mentally ill. I don't even think that's spreading misinformation. It's simply an opinion of his regardless of it being rooted in reality or not.
Not sure how anyone could read that comment and think "oh man, why is everyone acting like this with their newborns"
I understand this stuff is highly sensitive. But because of that I think people will take off the cuff opinions way more seriously than they need to be taken.
The whole dev team does not deserve to be tossed under the bus due to some comments made by a couple of devs. Ones I'm not even sure are as severe as I'm led to believe from the majority of the comments made in this thread.
Call them out specifically, get the higher ups to reprimand this guy, fire him, what ever. But stop trying to shit all over this game and everyone that had a hand at making it.
It's PATHETIC.
Good question but at least here I know before I make my purchase. I can't support it knowing what I know. Also who knows that 3dr could do but something surely
Why is he even going on about some complete bullshit hypothetical about imaginary parents in the first place? What purpose does it serve?
What's pathetic is trying to downplay and justify bigotry while dictating what people do with their wallet.
3DR are gonna ignore it unless they are forced to address it by a huge public outcry.
Reading the quotes and seeing "yeah if you're trying to decide your child is trans at birth you have mental problems and probably shouldn't be a parent imo"
Is this actually something parents do? Am I misunderstanding something? Or did he just say something stupid and untrue?
Is this actually something parents do? Am I misunderstanding something? Or did he just say something stupid and untrue?
Parents also decide their children are straight (my personal case) or cis , but i dont see them saying its "mentally ill". Why don't they say that too?
I wonder how much of the dev team this is, because while they'd still be shitty, if it's only a small segment I'm at least still supporting people who generally aren't like this. The game is great so far so it's unfortunate my feelings about it will be somewhat tainted if this is any notable portion.
It barely even registers in all the other stuff that's already been covered, but "Battlefield 5 disappointed because SJW's" is such a blatant idiocy signifier. I've seen multiple breakdowns of all the problems that game has that arguably make it worse than earlier releases without the "SJW" stuff even coming up (or being in a positive context); there's a massive amount of more tangible reasons why people have issues with it that come before that.
It barely even registers in all the other stuff that's already been covered, but "Battlefield 5 disappointed because SJW's" is such a blatant idiocy signifier. I've seen multiple breakdowns of all the problems that game has that arguably make it worse than earlier releases without the "SJW" stuff even coming up (or being in a positive context); there's a massive amount of more tangible reasons why people have issues with it that come before that.
it's a strawman that's associates "transgender" with "mental illness" by using an invented hyperbolic hypothetical.
The latter. But remember it's "not transphobic" and "out of context", can't wait for "it was a thought experiment" and "just asking questions" too
It's just them being dumb and reacting to a nonexistent problem because they don't really know what trans people are like and don't care to learn. It's an old talking point that probably has to do with stuff like parents avoiding gendered clothes or whatever for young children so as to not pressure them to confine to standard gender roles.
What he does know is that the Ion Fury devs are not only shitty but were stupid enough to make their views known on a public forum. The fact that someone else may hold shitty views doesn't change that.
Wow, it's like you looked at the discussion, the multiple attempts that were made to clearly explain the issue to you and decided to come out swinging with another strawman about how people are ganging up on the devs. This is truly PATHETIC behavior on your part.
The harm done to trans folk by the spreading of misinformation like this and it's acceptance in large parts of gaming culture is not acceptable and should absolutely be shit all over. It's nice to know though that you don't give a fuck about that and are going straight into defense mode of transphobes. Good going!
I agree. I used the example of 4chan and r/thedonald earlier, both communities I do not like but I don't make a habit of lurking them to get mad about what they post. It's not a productive use of my time.
The whole "It's unfair to the other devs to not buy the game over this" argument is fucking stupid.
There are plenty of great games out there with wonderful people working on them. Most of them do not have people on the dev team stupid enough to act like a bottom-dwelling shitheel in public.
There are plenty of great games out there with wonderful people working on them. Most of them do not have people on the dev team stupid enough to act like a bottom-dwelling shitheel in public.
Nobody does it. It's a complete fabrication used by rightwing chuds to make recognition of trans rights seem ridiculous and dangerous. Anyone who talks about parents "making" their young children transgender is at best a stupid asshole.
This thread is bringing to light specific things that specific members of a dev team said in their discord. You're certainly free to downplay or ignore those things and keep playing the game. I won't even call you pathetic for doing so, but your playbook could use a little update.
Because this is all fairly new to a lot of people. I know these issues have been around for a long time but with the internet and what not it's finally coming to light how big of a thing this really is to individuals.
I agree with you and I'm sure this mindset will change. Maybe not as fast as some would like but it will change.
Jeez. I wonder if it's just some "bad apples" like in the Subnautica devs.
These people will never learn
These people will never learn
Weird that "but what about the person that did these graphics or composed that music or etc., why are you punishing them??" never comes up for the trillion other reasons people make purchasing decisions, hey. Like, nobody ever says "why are you punishing Jenny in admin because the gunplay feels bad?" or "Why does Jimmy the janitor have to suffer because you don't like a game's monetisation model?" or "so the developers don't deserve to eat because you have no interest in that genre?", it's only when devs turn out to be bigots that they trot that out.
Eh, better than Hollywood? There we have shitty everybody. Equal opportunity shittyness.
It's a really impotent excuse to say "context" and "non-native." I'm not sure what language barrier or additional context would help make Daedelon's suggestion that trans people are mentally ill less offensive.
Nice, classic fascist derogatory and fear-mongering talking points in the discord server of a clickyshooty game. Very appropriate place to discuss such things in the first place!
Love the defenses of this in the thread here, too.
Love the defenses of this in the thread here, too.
Even without the explicitly sexist and transphobic shit, their apparent fealty to the "good name" of Duke fucking Nukem would have already implicitly communicated their shittiness to us in a way that was at least amusing. This is just sad.
What happened with the Subnautica devs? I had been wanting to try that but haven't got around to it.
This is where I'm at. I'm still gonna buy the game, but I definitely respect that people don't want to now, as what the devs said is inexcusable and shitty. Truly reprehensible stuff.
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